1. Vader…What Does He Really Want From Luke?
So how does knowing the person Anakin was influence what we see of Vader in the original trilogy? Watching Episodes IV-VI knowing that it’s Anakin beneath the Vader mask actually works surprisingly well (and people say Lucas is a hack!). There’s a fair share of mannerisms and dialogue young Anakin shares with old Vader but Anakin is still very much the same guy when he’s in the Vader costume.
In A New Hope, Vader is following orders without question from his master and presumably he’s been doing that since the end of Episode III, due to the fact it was the easier option to give himself over to the his new master than to face his terrible mistakes. He’s still leading the troopers and the Empire like he was as a Jedi in the Republic and he has very much become the figure of power Palpatine always wanted him to be.
However, at the end of New Hope, this new kid Luke Skywalker undermines all that the Emperor has put into place and then something changes in Anakin. For starters Vader witnesses Obi-Wan Kenobi do something with The Force that he had never seen before, so he must be questioning that. Then Luke Skywalker arrives on the scene and Vader realises he has a son.
Knowing what we know about the Sith, we can immediately see that both Palpatine and Vader would want to have a chat with this new Skywalker. Palpatine could potentially have a younger, stronger apprentice to replace his largely diminished Anakin, Vader could have his own apprentice to overthrow Palpatine. Because of what we’ve seen with Dooku in Episode II, I would argue that Anakin / Vader wants more than the simple Sith dream of ruling the galaxy as father and son.
Potentially, Vader sees Luke as a chance to get away from his master. I feel that Anakin turned to the dark side because it was a lot easier to give in than it was to deal with the problems he’d created in Episode III. I’ll go more into this subject in the next article but in Empire Strikes Back, Vader is desperate to find Luke. He rushes into the rebel base on Hoth, he chases down the Millennium Falcon and of course he pulls the old torturing friends trick to finally get hold of his son.
This isn’t about catching rebels anymore, Vader’s mission is to get to Luke before Palpatine does. There’s a sense Vader is even playing along when Palpatine talks to him about the son of Skywalker. Vader is already aware of Luke’s importance and his desperation to find him is plain to see, force choking anyone who is messing up his chances.
Meeting Luke on Cloud City, there’s a sense that Vader isn’t out to kill Luke. In fact because of what we know about Anakin’s turn to the dark side, there’s a sense that Vader is testing him, like Palpatine was testing Anakin over the years. His lightsaber skills, the force throwing of the crates, Vader is trying to slowly break Luke down, show him that the dark side is the way to go. It’s not until Vader is enraged, after Luke clips his arm with a swing of a lightsaber that the old Anakin-anger gets the best of him (again) and he whips off Luke’s hand.
You could also speculate that the outburst about being Luke’s father and the suggestion he joins Anakin to rule the galaxy is another Anakin outburst fuelled by his inability to break Luke’s resolve. Anakin/Vader is desperate to get out from under Palpatine’s shadow and Luke could be his only way of doing that. A second chance if you will, given that Luke is his own blood and together they could put things right.
Remember Anakin had convinced himself that his choices were the right ones in Episode III. He’s not ready to admit that in Empire Strikes Back but he’s willing to try and overthrow Palpatine on the dark side’s terms.
Anakin, from the very beginning of the saga has been a conflicted person, struggling between right and wrong, control and lack of control. Luke’s arrival on the scene offers him a chance at putting things back together but Anakin is, as always enslaved in a situation it’s hard to get out of the easy way and the dark side always offers up the easier, more seductive way of dealing with his problems. I think the prequel trilogy adds a whole deeper understanding into what’s happening to Anakin Skywalker in the original trilogy and adds a fuller understanding of the situation that fans speculated over the details of between 1980 and 1983.
And so that’s Part 2 done with. Next we head into Episode III, where we delve into R2 and 3PO’s parts in all this, who exactly was to blame for Anakin’s turn to the darkside, and discuss what all this means for the upcoming Episode 7 in 2015.
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37 Comments
Except for #’s 1 and 2, even the still shots are God awful.
Seriously? You can’t even look at a picture without hating it? Look, this is ridiculous. It’s time to see what the prequels really are. Mediocre movies. Not the worst movies ever made, not abominations of God himself, just “meh, they were ok” movies. It’s only because it’s Star Wars that there’s such a massive backlash. If the the Phantom Menace was the first official Star Wars movie, it would simply be considered a mediocre, forgettable film. Nothing majorly good or bad, just ok. Get over it.
And lined up against most of the out right trash that stinks up the summer blockbuster scene of late, the Prequels need to be cut a little slack.
You reinforced the whole point. When the new Transformers movies come out and suck, who cares? I’m out 8 bucks. Star Wars deserved better than those toy commercials for ILM. Those movies SHOULD have been sent from God. Although he’s entitled to his opinion, one would hope the author, an aspiring novelist, could recognize something that warrants praise. I question how such a person could not only find, but announce in a public forum, that there’s anything of value in those ‘mediocre’ movies. But to each his own I guess. And believe me, I really wanted, and tried, to find something good in those movies.
@773y The point is that you can’t even look at a PICTURE of something from the prequel trilogy without squirming in your seat. “Oh God, George Lucas has thoroughly RUINED my childhood!” I guarantee you, if there had been a picture displayed of something from Troll 2 or Gigli, you wouldn’t have given it a second glance. It’s only because it’s from the prequel trilogy (a.k.a, THE WORST MOVIES EVER MADE) that you have such a problem with a STILL SHOT! That’s indescribably sad and pathetic.
“Those movies SHOULD have been sent from God.”
Yes, just like the Holy Trilogy was. Please. You just prove my point. The original trilogy is objectively superior to the prequels, but if you think they are anything close to great cinema, you’re just deluding yourself. Star Wars is popcorn entertainment, nothing more. It’s great popcorn entertainment. It’s engaging and immersive and fun. But it’s popcorn entertainment all the same. As a fan of the movies, I can say that without feeling like I committed blasphemy. Star Wars is not deep cinema, pure and simple. And it’s not trying to be. But it’s not even close to being considered “sent from God himself.” They’re movies. The original trilogy is great. Not phenomenal, not life-altering, just great. The prequel trilogy is ok. Not indescribably horrible, not the spawn of Satan himself, just ok.
It’s been over a decade since the first prequel unleashed it’s horror upon the universe. You’ve had PLENTY of time to recover. To pick up the broken pieces of your scarred and beaten childhood, to sob in a dark corner, maybe even went to see a therapist. Perfectly understandable. But it’s time to move on. We have a whole new trilogy coming out soon. We’ll have plenty of new material to debate endlessly for the next 3 decades. New scenes that “ruin” the franchise, new scenes that have bad acting, new plot points that will garner hatred, new characters that everyone will “hate”, etc., etc., etc. It’s 100% inevitable. People will hate the new trilogy like no tomorrow. They will criticize and rant and rave and go through every single conceivable second of every scene People will also love it and defend every plot point to the death. And then there will be people like me who sit and take it for what it is. A movie. Hopefully a good movie, hopefully ones that are better than the prequel trilogy, but movies all the same.
You talk in circles.
@773y Oh ok. A vague non-sensical irrelevant reply. I should have expected nothing less.
Forgive me. Embarrassing as it may be, I humbly profess that my inconsequential intellect cowers before the mighty allusions set forth by your literary adroitness. I therefore concede to this cogitative debate and shall reflect upon my fatuous acuity in evaluating pictures. Ok?
@773y Never claimed to be intellectually superior. I’d just appreciate it if you had actually given a proper response instead of just dismissing me off-hand. But that just means I can reciprocate.
Fair Enough. And best wishes as I will be posting no more replys for I have been bested and, as you are well aware, will be occupied with reassembling those broken pieces of my scarred and beaten childhood in order to mentally re-equip myself for the inevitable journey back to that dark, tear strewed corner I will surely reinhabit once JJ Abrams unleashes HIS popcorn vision of Star Wars upon this Gap tainted world. Oh, the horror.(And you say those movies weren’t that important. Tell that to my therapist). Good luck to you and remember, the force will be with you, always. Now go get your medal son.
P.S. Those pictures still make me cringe.
@773y I’m not sure if your last reply was deleted or if I just can’t see it on my computer (I saw it on my phone originally.) Nevertheless, I can take a hint. Perhaps I was unnecessarily rude in our exchange. Fair enough. You are completely entitled to your opinion. All I’m saying is that this extreme attitude of Original Trilogy = Manna from heaven and Prequel Trilogy = Product of a prison sewer system is just ridiculous. It’s time for all of us (myself included to be fair) to move on. To stop moaning and debating and shouting. For the love of God, if somebody finds value in the movies like the author, I don’t see why you or I should dissuade him. Really, at the end of the day, who cares? But I’ve had my fill. I apologize to the author for cluttering up his page and I apologize for being brash. I would have preferred a discussion, but we both did our part to ruin any chances of that happening. Have a good one.
There’s no way my comment is going to fit in here, but I’ll try.
10. Was I the only one that really didn’t care about the fate of Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, or Anakin? They never really seemed to be in any great peril, mostly due to a point I’ll hit later.
9. Personally, I liked Boba Fett being a mystery, and in no way wanted to see “Kid Fett”. I understand he’s better portrayed in the Clone Wars series, but still.
8. I’ll give you Dooku, probably my favourite character in the films. Unfortunately, he was hardly in the films, and he was written horribly. I never really understood what his motivation was in the scenes he was in, nor was there any real introduction to him. I know you’ll say there was no introduction to Darth in New Hope, but come on, first big bad guy on site, obviously the bad boss.
7. Clone troopers. I always imagined the Empire as people joining for whatever reason. The whole clone army thing was confusing.
6. Beru and Owen. Really didn’t care about them. They seemed just to be there to be yet another tie in to the original trilogy.
5. Luring a Jedi. Had to be done, and I agree it foreshadowed Luke’s plight, but that whole Sandpeople killing rage just seemed kinda stupid. I love it when he tells Padme what he did and she’s like, “cool, let’s make out.”
4. The Death Star took more than 20 years to build? But then they build another one right after the first one is blown up?
3. No more f*ing lightsabers! Those things got so boring, which was the point I was going to say about the relationships and the characters. There was never a real sense of danger (until the 3rd movie) because anything with a gun was destroyed by a lightsaber. I was a Han Solo fan, and the whole lightsaber thing just kinda took away from the guys with blasters. I don’t know why, I really started to get annoyed with all the lightsaber-ing.
2. Connections, connections, connections… Sure, there had to be some connections, but I went into the prequels expecting a little more original story line. Did we really have to see the entire Star Wars universe of characters 20 years younger? I am convinced that kid Han Solo is somewhere in the background of one of those scenes.
1. They re-edited Empire, so Darth/Anakin doesn’t know he has a son until the emperor tells him… so yeah, it was just about getting those pesky rebels.
Bottom line is this; they didn’t stand up to the original trilogy… not even close. There is no debate that A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back are fantastic films. Return of the Jedi was pretty great, except for (of course) the Ewoks… even when I saw it the first time, I never understood how the Emperor’s “best troops” gave up to a bunch of little fuzzballs.
On the prequels… there is MUCH debate… and I am happy as hell that someone else is taking a shot at them. It needs an emotionally gripping story and characters people care about, something Lucas was unable to do with the prequels… in my opinion.
Wow it fit.
Some of these I can understand but the Clone thing makes sense and even with the Empire edit, you can still argue that Vader was already looking for Luke when the film opened, due to the secrets within the Sith ranks. Additionally the Death Star argument has always bugged me. Who’s to say they weren’t building a second Death Star anyway? The Empire can have more than one AND they didn’t take 3 years or so to build another death star, they took three years or so to build enough of it to fire a laser blast. It was operational enough to get the rebels in a trap. “IT’S A TRAP!!” They essentially built a gun with a bit a Death Star around it to function.
Thank you! Another person who prefers Dooku to Maul! I always liked how Dooku was just so polite, even when he was sentencing people to death. But then, the glorious dress sense and being played by Christopher Lee may have had something to do with it!
Oh I still prefer Maul but Dooku is way more intriguing. :)
I have to agree withJing Li on his points and i have never thought that the prequels enhanced the original star wars films in any way. If anything the prequels took away from the 4/5/6, they didnt gel together in one story arc which was the whole point.
The 1/2/3 films didnt have the same feel to them as the originals, the mood was very different and the storys felt rushed and badly put together. Bad acting, bad dialog, bad idea’s (midichlorians wth lucus!), bad music scores and way WAY too much special effects.
I watched episode 4 the other night (bugger all on tv) and i still loved it. But my main gripe was all the little added parts that lucus had added to them, the extra storm troopers here and all the other stuff in no way added to the film but in fact made it worse imo. It became clear to me for the first time how crappy the special effects are to the real surroundings. I mean that as the original had been filmed will little special effects lucus had to find original locations and buid sets, backgrounds and use animatronics. All that stuff looked so much more natural compaired to when the film cut to a jawa falling off it ride in a comical way. That’s another gripe, all the new scenes had to have a poinless and unfunny funny bit. Jawa’s falling off speeders or an alien getting electricuted and making a stupid noise. I’m rambling i know :) but my point was that the new films dont feel like star wars should, i wanted the old george lucus not this walking gunga filled with bad jokes lucus.
Here’s hoping that Disney can get back to what made star wars great.
Bad music scores? How?
Bad music scores!?! Are you disrespecting the great John Williams!?!?! BLASPHEMY!!!!
Great article… really got me thinking. can’t wait for your analysis of episode III.
Thanks for that. Episode III coming along shortly ;)
What is also interesting relating to your Luke/Anakin parallels is that the driving force behind Anakin’s motivations was his fear of death which he viewed as a losing of something/someone. To Luke however he had no such fear as he saw from ObiWan returning as a spirit that death is really just another reality to explore.
Taken further we can also see the 2 ways that overcoming death materialize for Sith in contrast to Jedi. The Emperor does in fact prevent death (his own) as he promised to Anakin but in a way that takes a clear physical toll on him which he must balance by feeding in a way off of others such as how he uses Vaders anger to keep him going, in this way he is like a vampire. The Jedi on the other hand also find a way to elude death but much differently, for them it is not through clinging to the flesh that they escape death but by letting go they live on in another realm or dimension. In this way they become a kind of spirit.
I find this fascinating also because one way is not inherently better than the other but their are 2 distinct paths each overcoming death.
Whilst I have little time for the prequels these days (I used to defend them back in the day, now I can’t watch more than five minutes of them), it’s a brave soul who steps up to the plate and so eloquently defends them in no short order, and I totally respect that, I do.
I’ll not repeat my comments I made on the first article – about how Lucas should have… well, you can go read ‘em – but most of the points you raised above I tend to agree with, although I believe that ‘Uncle’ Owen and ‘Aunt’ Beru should have been more prominent in the prequels, or at least, the first two anyway (stick with me on this);
Owen should have been a friend and confidante to Shmi Skywalker and her son on Tatooine, someone who helps her and makes sure she’s alright, providing little Anakin with a bit of a big brother/father figure in his life, and who takes great exception to the Jedi coming to Mos Espa and effectively putting in motion Anakin leaving his mother to become a Jedi, his warnings to Anakin that he has real responsibilities on Tatooine and that running off “on some damn fool idealistic crusade” to save the Republic and become a Jedi would prove prophetic and would also more clearly explain his very understandable aversion to not only exposing Luke to the same elements that brought about Anakin’s fate but also to off-world folk in general… it would also create some genuine tension between Anakin and Owen in Episode II, whereby Owen would effectively blame Anakin for what happened to his mother because he wasn’t there to look out for her, leading to Anakin swearing never to go back to his home planet, which would have made Obi-Wan placing the infant Luke into the custodial care of Owen and Beru all the more logical as it was quite literally the last place that Anakin/Darth Vader would ever look or set foot on himself.
That’s one of the backstory details that was never properly explored in the prequels which I wish had been, still, just my own personal opinion… looking forward to the next article though, keep ‘em coming…
Yeah Owen and Beru warranted a bit more out the prequels I guess, but at the same time the less of a connection to Anakin the better is also a valid choice. There’s a subtle sense that Anakin and Owen don’t really get on, so I guess Owen’s thoughts on going off on a crusade is an insight into how he felt about Anakin leaving Shmi and how it all played out. I agree, more could have been made of this but theres just about enough for it to work.
You are absolutely right, Marcus dude, the more I think about it the more it makes sense for Owen and Beru to have been left for Episode II; there wasn’t really a place for them in Episode I and it would have come off as shoehorning them into the plot when there was more than enough going on for the audience to digest, and besides, Shmi Skywalker would likely have told Clegg and Owen Lars all about Anakin, so they would already know the situation before Anakin arrived back on Tatooine to rescue his mother, and Owen would no doubt have already formed an opinion on the rights and wrongs of Anakin leaving his mother to fly around the galaxy, still, a terse exchange between Anakin and Owen in Episode II would have crystallized the matter and would clearly show tension between the two, nicely setting up Owen’s understandable attitude in Episode IV, but all things considered, you are again correct, there’s just enough information implied to make it work, but only just… although there still remains a very clear disconnect between what Lucas presented in the prequels regarding Owen Lars and what Obi-Wan stated in Episode IV when he said that Owen didn’t want Luke to “follow old Obi-Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade like your father did”, but Anakin didn’t follow Obi-Wan, he followed Qui-Gon Jinn, and Owen never even heard of Obi-Wan until the latter showed up at their door with an infant Luke at the end of Episode III, it’s worth noting that in Lucas’ original draft of the Episode I script, it was indeed Obi-Wan who discovered Anakin and convinced him to become a Jedi, this should have been kept, it would have remained consistent with what the older Obi-Wan told Luke in Episode IV and would have served as a nice little filling-in of backstory.
Again, just my personal opinion, but thanks for the reply, you changed my mind and made me see it in a new light that was better than I had read it before, so cheers there…
oh yeah, he did say follow Obi-Wan didn’t he. I guess that could be read on the level of, he knows Obi-Wan is on the planet, and if Obi-wan suddenly decided to go back into the fight, he might take Luke with him.
I’m enjoying this series…nice to see folks putting some thought into the saga. It’s interesting you noted that Luke, unlike Anakin in AOTC, does not take personal revenge for what was done to the people who raised him. I’ll point out that neither does Leia for what was done to Alderaan, even though in temperament I’d argue she’s much closer to Daddy than even Luke is.
Very good point but arguably, she’s in the rebellion against the people that killed her ‘parents’ anyway and it just fuelled her fight. Plus Tarkin was sort of the face of the guy that pushed the button and that guy is gone after New Hope. Either way, it’s a valid point that both Luke and Leia are pretty level headed about things compared to Anakin.
The point addressed in 3, about how the view of the Jedi changed when they “mysteriously” produced an entire army, was originally supposed to be one of the reasons that Anakin chose to side with Palpatine (instead of “man, am I tiiiiiired”) – there was a considerable contingent of the citizenry that thought the Jedi were angling to take over, and Anakin started to think they were right. The days of the Army of Light – defeating the Brotherhood and paving the way for the Ruusan Reformation – were long in the past, and this basically-shadowy group that’s above the law shows up with an army? People were getting worried.
I think there’s one mention of it in “Revenge of the Sith” (I haven’t seen that one in a while), but it’s a throwaway line, something along the lines of Anakin accusing Mace of wanting power for himself … and I think that would have been a more in-character reason for Anakin’s fall, especially after Palpatine’s “oh, well, we’ll discover immortality together!”, translating to “yeah, I totally lied to you, but I’m sure we can find it!”, which Anakin should have had a huge problem with.
They’ll be more focus on the turn to the darkside in article three. Look forward to your input there Dee as it’s a key area wide open for discussion.
I really like these articles.
It’s nice to see how the author is not afraid of going against the tide and understands the plots of the films (which is something some “reviewers” obviously can’t or don’t want to).
Looking forward to reading the third part.
Thanks for that. Always a daunting task siding with the Prequels given the haters are usually the most vocal about them. Glad to see it’s not all falling on deaf ears.
Great article review and a very great read. If I may ask, why do you think Luke in Episode 6 gets really angry at Darth Vader at the end of their fight when Luke cuts off Vader’s hand? I always thought it was out of rage at Vader mentioning his sister but it makes one wonder if maybe there was more that Luke was angry about considering Luke not lashing out in anger at Vader in Episode 5 for the torture of his friends.
I cover that a bit more in the next article but it certainly appears to be out of protection of Leia. There’s a whole lot going on but those Skywalker’s seem to lash out when it comes to protecting family.
Star Wars Prequel fans remind me of the Tea Party: very vague, hate anything that’s new or that they haven’t even seen enough of to form an official opinion or likely to throw a fit over the smallest thing.
fans or haters?
I don’t agree that AOTC was the weakest of the Prequel Trilogy. The movie’s one real weakness is the matter regarding Sifo-Dyas. And that matter was made weak, thanks to an EU novel, instead of the movie.