It has been a hell of a millennium so far for Superhero movies after a less than impressive 1990s and, quite frankly, a downright embarrassing 1980s. Should we even mention the 70s or 60s? We as a species have finally figured out how to make awesome movies with super-powered heroes and villains. Thanks be to Galactus.
These were the stories that defined my childhood. I wasn’t running around my house pretending to be John Wayne or a fireman or an astronaut. I was pretending to be the Incredible Hulk. So to see the ongoing crapfest during my childhood that was visiting the cinema each year, particularly with my favorite brand (Marvel), was in a word … heartbreaking.
There were baby steps along the way, small moments of brilliance amid a desolate wasteland of fetid turds. Hits such as Superman (1978), of course The Incredible Hulk serial (1978-82), Batman (1989), and Blade (1998). At last, after years and years of waiting, the genre exploded with the genre defining X-Men (2000). Woo Hoo!
I was already 24 years old. Damn.
Since then Marvel and DC have rattled off movie after movie each year. In 2011 alone, we saw Thor, X-Men: First Class, Green Lantern, and Captain America: The First Avenger and 2012 looks to be even bigger (Ghost Rider 2, The Avengers, The Amazing Spider-Man, and The Dark Knight Rises). Lots and lots of super-movies. So many in fact, that you’d think that Hollywood would have a basic understanding of the rules of making a superhero movie.
And yet, somehow … they don’t.
But never fear, business executives masquerading as studio producers, I am here to save the day. Here are the 10 Rules of Superhero Movies.
10. Respect the Source
Yes, this is a comic book. And yes, the hero is most likely wearing multi-colored spandex with his underoos on the outside (or magically re-sizing ripped, purple pants). The story in which the hero came about finding his superpowers is probably about as thin as a Republican budget surplus. Yes, yes. I understand all of that. I can see how it would be easy to dismiss the source as juvenile fancy and tailor the entire production behind that faulty premise (see GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra).
And yet I don’t care. The same rule applies here as to all other areas of entertainment. If you are going to serve up shit, then your audience is going let it fall straight into the toilet. Yeah, you’ll get the little kids dumped in the theater for two hours while their parents dance the horizontal mambo, but you’ll never get the hardcore fan. In the comic book world, the hardcore fan is the uber-nerd.
And as we all know uber-nerds own the Internet.
That’s why Bryan Singer as a director was so revolutionary. He looked at a Hogwarts of teenage super-powered mutants and didn’t think comic book first. He thought characters, plot, pacing, action, theme, credibility. Singer embraced his inner geek. He raised the bar and set out to make a great movie. He did and $300,000,000 later, the superhero era was in its prime.
That’s why the failures of certain directors since X-Men now seem even more glaring. The Super-Bible has been written, yet somehow these film makers pissed theirs pants despite. Hey, I’m a nice guy. I’m not in the business of pointing fingers at anyone in particular to highlight their failure (cough, cough … Ang Lee).
As you’ve probably guessed, Hulk (2003) was the movie I was waiting for my entire life. I was tempted to come to the theater in costume and covered with Army camo paint. Hulk Smash, bitches! My girlfriend (and now my wife) talked some sense into me by reminding me of the virtues of abstinence should such behavior occur. Damn her.
Regardless, I was as excited to see this movie as any in my life time. Imagine then my disappointment, when I got a rambling, emotional exploration of the moronically simplified father-son relationship, culminating with both of them tied to chairs and crying about their feelings … just before one of them bites into power cord.
God help me, I watched the last act of the movie sobbing over Bill Bixby at the foot of the screen until a group of ushers carried me out.
Just a clue, Mr. Anonymous Director (ahem … Mr. ANG LEE from Pingtung, Taiwan): if your scene transitions involve comic book frames or the flipping of pages, then you don’t understand the genre and should just stay away. This is not a cute, comic book movie. Makes me so angry.
You know what, Ang? Why don’t you do a movie about my grandmother and ruin the only other good part of my childhood. Bastard.
…
I’m better now.
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55 Comments
Really enjoyed reading this, was very entertaining. Great job!
One quick thing about Samuel L. Jackson playing Nick Fury: That actually IS cannon! In the early 2000s Marvel released a comic version of the Avengers called The Ultimates, which was advertised as a Hollywood blockbuster style series, and Nick Fury was modelled after Jackson (they even referenced this in one of the issues). The Avengers movie will be taken a lot of cues from that series, so its actually for a reason.
There was the Daredevil movie that had Kingpin portrayed by Michael Duncan Clarke (from The Green Mile and also Pulp Fiction, oddly enough)but honestly the colour of the actor shouldn’t matter, the way they play the character is far more important. At one point Colin Salmon was in the running to play James Bond after Brosnan…
Sorry to overdose on the nerd info. Thanks for the fun read.
Michael Duncan Clarke was never in Pulp Fiction. Think you mean Ving Rhames.
Alex is right that Nick Fury in the films is based on Ultimate Nick Fury.
Smudge is right that it was Ving Rhames in Pulp Fiction.
It’s Michael Clarke Duncan chief.
And Ving Rhames was Marsellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction.
I can’t believe I made a point about political correctness and topped it off with accidental racism…
Read #10 again, Michael Duncan Clarke was so wrong and so is Samuel L Jackson playing Nick Fury. The Ultimate’s or any storyline connected was not anything blockbuster. Ultimate comics are packed in grab bag buys which one could buy for a couple of dollars. It was obvious even with the Ultimate’s time line they should have just stuck to the source.
“Stuck to the source.” You are exposing your prejudice.
Marvel did stick to the source -they own it after all! The ONLY thing the Ultimates storyline changed about Fury was the color of his skin, that’s it. But, clearly for you, THAT was a problem.
I have to say I agree with the guy above if you want to get picky on charecters and voices, one samuel is awesome as nick fury , two christian bale shouldn’t be batman. Heath ledger should never have been joker, hugh jackman should never have been wolverine. And the new spierman and superman are both english oh and reed richards is now welsh after the FF films. Now half of them you can see someone else playing them other you can but that’s the way it is, the costumes change in the comics and so does there look so why can that not happen on film,
But I do agree one should only play one hero I explianed that to my girlfriend who isn’t into most films or comics and even she turned round and said they where stupid for doing that.
This is a good article, but I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Fantastic Four films aren’t in the Marvel canon we all know and love: they’re separate, like Raimi’s Spider-Man movies. Let’s face it, too… the Fantastic Four films thus far were aimed at a younger audience and were basically tragically offbeat.
Wait….what Liev Schreiber was badly cast as Victor Creed ?? …..er did i miss a whole hating internet forum about how bad he was for the part ??. Just because he wasn’t blond and instead could pass for being wolverine brother instead?
So I agree with your points, but not some of your examples, because YOU aren’t respecting the source.
7. Realism – Why would Thor speak Swedish, old norse or any other Scandinavian language? He’s ASGARDIAN, not Scandinavian. This isn’t Wotanism where these gods were created by these people, this is Marvel comics where Asgard is another dimension and they just happened to MEET Scandinavians many years in the past. So if you want to complain about them speaking English that’s fine, but don’t complain that they AREN’T speaking an EARTH language.
6. Who said Red Skull was dead? If you’re any kind of comic fan you know what the Cosmic Cube does, and it’s not “disintegrate people.” It alters reality. Red Skull wanted to become a god. That was his wish. $20 says that’s what happened. He went through a Thor style wormhole much like the other “gods” (Agardians) do.
5. Chris Hemsworth was great as Thor. Great casting and it made me enjoy watching a usually completely uninteresting character. Hugh Jackman did ok as Wolverine, but the writing is more responsible than Jackman. He should have never been Wolverine in the first place, but did a great job and you can’t take that away from him.
4. 80% of the time Ultimate Marvel is better than 616 Marvel. Sam Jackson as Nick Fury was the best decision Marvel Studios has made thus far. In fact, the closer Amazing Spider-man sticks to Ultimate Spider-man (which it looks to do) the better the movie will be.
1. Chris Evans. Lucas Lee, Jensen, Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers. And I love him for it.
huzzah!!! cheers friend! couldn’t agree more!
RE: #7) Spot on! (English pun fully intended.) Plus, in the comics, Thor always spoke in a bad Olde English not Norse, if one wants to get nitpicky.
RE: #4) Eh. For my money, 616 will always be better than Ultimate. In fact, Ultimate wouldn’t exist without them actively trying to tweak things from the 616 just for shock value.
616 is always better then Ultimate as that is the source.
I agree on some of the points but I have to disagree on the multiverse thing. It’s just a movie and I think Chris Evans does a good job of playing two seperate characters as the heroes. Now one actor playing two characters in the same movie yes I would draw the line but other than that bring it on. I look forward to the deadpool movie if they end up making it.
Really enjoyed reading this article. Great mix of information and even better storytelling than some of movies you mentioned. I totally agree with the multiverse thing, that’s what made Reeves, Bale and others popular, we knew what character to associate with their face. You made me laugh, you made me think and you gave me something to do for about a good 15 mins. Thanks for a good read! Appreciated!
+1
I personally am not a ‘purist’ when it comes to the comic book to movie adaptations. I say change it up if you want to. Retcon stuff, change actors, change plots/stories. I’m not too worried about Samuel L Jackson being black and how it fits into the appropriateness of whether or not he could have been in charge of some unit some time ago. He’s Nick Fury in the now. Go for it!
Also, if I want THE exact same thing, I would just read the comics again. I want a new and unique twist on the characters/story. Sure, just changing things alone doesn’t make it better, but if its cool and/or justified then by all means go for it! The big problem is most changes are stupid (but because they are stupid, not because they are different).
Also, Chris Evans turned down the role of Cap’n USA because he didn’t want to be two different characters (or tied to tons of sequels) but in the end it was Marvel who insisted.
Great post, even though it seems we disagree on the ‘purity’ these adaptations need to keep you got a good sense of humor about it all and some nice ideas. Yay movies!
Hulk is one of the only good comic book movies, and I’ve been a die hard collector for 14 years. It’s a movie, first and foremost, and Ang Lee knows how to make a movie. I thought it was a breath of fresh air in an over saturated, repetitive genre.
You are such a dumb fanboy it’s unbelievable. Perhaps if you had been following the movie production process, listened to the story tellers or had any movie-production experience you would understand why some of your stupid nitpicking is assinine. Take a course or read a book next time you criticize someone’s work. Yes, there are a lot of stinkers, but even the best CBMs like the Nolan trilogy, Singer’s X2 and Superman have their flaws. Take off the ruby glasses.
I know. This guy refers to as Gandalf. He’s the biggest idiot I’ve ever listened to in my life, and I’m a die hard comic reader and collector.
I meant to say Ian McKellen as Gandalf. My apologies.
The guy who wrote the list has no idea what he’s talking about. He starts off with valid points, but misses the mark because of a lack of knowledge.
10. Nerds have no wrath.
9. Reboots are going to happen. Studios want to make money. Put your man pants on and get over it.
8. Canon must change to fit into a movie. The film *adaptation* becomes its own canon. They exist in their own universe. Also, Doctor Doom was inspired by Ultimate Doom (see Nick Fury)
7. Realism vs willing suspense of disbelief. This guy understands (or pretends) to understand story telling, but can’t let a movie lie to him. But he has a point with the Superman baby.
6. He’s more right than wrong on this one, so I’ll let it go.
5. Casting is a business decision, not an art decision. Man pants. On.
4. He’s clearly never read The Ultimates. While Marvel had no obligation to live up to the joke, they didn’t just make things up by casting SLJ. Just because a white character becomes black or anything else in an *adaptation*, that doesn’t make it affirmative action. If it’s a good fit, it’s a good fit. I agree somewhat with Idris Elba as a Norse god, but he’s rarely on screen anyway, so who cares? Crazy people.
3. Costumes do have to be *adapted* in something much more function than spandex. He knows this. He just doesn’t like how the costumes look. Because he’s a certified costume critic. Daredevil’s costume wasn’t that bad compared to others, and his caption joke was actually in Frank Miller’s story. Also, this guy mixes up eyeliner and eye black. Never played sports. Figures.
2. Deadpool was a disaster. No argument here. But Bullseye’s scar was inspired by Bendis and Maleev’s DD series. Again, this nerd doesn’t actually read comics.
1. This is where he knows nothing about movies. There won’t ever be a Fantastic Four / Avengers crossover in the forseeable future because the film rights to FF (plus DD/Elektra, X-Men et al.) are owned by FOX. The Avengers characters’ film rights are owned by Marvel/Disney. Spider-Man and Ghost Rider are owned by Sony. Of course all of DC’s film rights are owned by parent WB. Film companies aren’t going to let their film rights get infringed (and they won’t license them) to make the fans happy (or angry) with a crossover. It doesn’t work that way. Someone made this mistake at Hall H at SDCC 2010. He asked if Wolverine would be in Captain America during WWII. Impossible. FOX won’t license the rights to their property to be in someone else’s movie. This guy doesn’t understand that. He’s concerned that Chris Evans has a conflict of interest because he plays two Marvel characters. Not an issue. Less of an issue for Halle Berry to play Storm and Catwoman. The list goes on forever of actors who have played multiple comic characters in films. The world moves on, the “angry nerd with a wrath” just doesn’t.
as far as man pants are concerned….
9. The article is not bemoaning reboots in their very nature, but the validity and necessity of reboots, in regards to their timing, variation on direction, style, etc. It is completely valid to question a reboot of a series that is a) within the same generation as the last iteration, b) lacking originality or distinction apart from other iterations, and c) when money is not an object (see Spider-Man example in article)
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5. In no way is casting NOT an art decision. Of course, as movies are a part of show business, there is always going to be a business side of every decision that is made, but casting is a vital part of the art direction of a film. You can’t say that people like Hugh Jackman as Wolverine and Sir Ian McKellen as Magneto did not bring something more than a big name to the production of X-Men. They brought a particular set of skills and talents as actors, and used their art of acting to create and embody characters that were by all means a major part of the feel, direction, and art of the X-Men films.
And as a commenter in an opinion column/blog such as this, I think it fair that we respect the person of the writer of the article, and only go after his ideas. Personal shots and name calling are completely uncalled for. By all means, disagree; share your opinion; argue!
But calling someone names is just childish.
—man pants. on. ;)
Why read the Ultimates? The source is the source as it is writen, “Golden Age”.
Just take it easy, man.
Abide…
Gotta say I disagree with the Political Correctness. Samuel L. was a great choice, and as ‘Tay’ pointed out, a nod to The Ultimates. These screenwriters and directors are adapting the story to the big screen. You have the comics you hold dear, so continue to hold them close to your bosom. Understanding that you (and other fan-boys) REALLY want to see it all moving on the big screen, you also have to understand that some writers take liberties and put their own mark when they do comic runs or one shots…so goes for the movies. Even though Ang Lee’s HULK is horrible in terms of the core ,comic material..I thought it was an interesting adaptation of the character. The movie, overall, was rubbish.
Good article though. I agreed with a lot of your opinions.
And, to piggyback on what ‘Tay’ said, Thor wouldn’t speak any of those languages really.
Not just a nod to the ultimates, they based Ultimate Nick Fury on Sam Jackson and when he found out he contacted them about getting the role in the then proposed new set of films.
Samuel L was NOT a great choice to play Nick Fury. As the source, “Golden Age” is writen Nick Fury is white.
The author of this article may want to research the concepts of research, poetic licence, willing suspension of disbelief, and generally having some idea what you’re talking about. Sorry the movies do not line up with your vague recollection of comic books from the mid 90s. Also, you sound like a racist.
A lot of good comments pointing out how uninformed you are, and here is one more. They are not rebooting spider-man for the hell of it. The reason it’s being rebooted is Sony could not nail down both sam raimi and toby mcquire at the same time, and the the time line on the option was running out. Sony HAD to make another spider-man movie or else they would lose the film option, and it would revert back to marvel movie studios. Then you would have had to complain about some new actor playing him in the avengers 2 movie.
Sony “had” to reboot “Spider-Man” just because Raimi and Maguire left the picture? I’m glad they haven’t looked at things that way over in James Bond’s camp. It would suck if we had to get a new verson of “Casino Royale” for the last five actor changes in that series. And it WILL suck if they feel the need to start from scratch when Craig leaves. (I’ll forgive them for one reboot in 21 movies; they did, after all, finally get the rights to the first actual Bond novel after 40+ years.) It’s a movie. About a fictional character. We don’t need to start the whole thing over just because there’s a new actor in the role. Did the comics start over every time there was a new artist? I suppose it’s fine if you’re really interested in seeing new takes on the origin. As a casual fan, I’m not paying to see Spider-Man’s origin all over again, and I won’t pay to see the Fantastic Four start all over again. Let’s just move on. That’s why there are comics and DVDs. If I start with FF #3 and wonder “Why is that one guy is so stretchy?”, I can rent the first movie or buy a comic book.
Great article: BUT
1. Sony rebooted Spiderman because they lost the rights to the property (I’m not sure specifically which rights) which would return to Marvel Studios if they were not actively developing a movie by 2012. So they fast tracked Spiderman 4 and then gave up for a reboot.
2. Fantastic Four sucked
3. I didn’t mind the Thor speaks English, especially since “you believe he comes from Asgard and controls lightning but doesn’t speak English?” argument is pretty heavy. Plus it eliminates the “learning English” montage.
4. Magneto going through all 3 movies worked, but it wouldn’t always. How would Nolan top Dark Knight if Joker was in Rises? I CAN’T FATHOM IT!! Plus depending on the style movies need conclusion: Iron Man, a fun, blockbuster needs to “end.” Whereas LOTR of TDK have more an adult approach and can expand.
5. Sam Jackson was cast because of the popularity of Ultimates
I love The Ultimates and therefore I loved SLJ as Nick Fury! His Nick Fury is more interesting (not saying better) in my opinion anyways. I would NEVER go so far as to say that Ultimate is better than 616 as 616 has 40 years of history on Ultimate and is the source material for Ultimate. HOWEVER, I WOULD say that the Ultimate stuff 9 times out of 10 makes for a better read. Bendis and Millar did a bang up job making a totally unique universe over there in Ultimate-verse that feels fresh and unique even though it is derived from the 616. Well worth everyone’s time. That said…I hope they let SLJ really go bad-ass with Fury and play him as the morally ambiguous but get the job done kind of guy he is in the Ultimate.
The nerd in me acres with all this but I gotta say this. The super hero whore Ryan Reynolds would make a good deadpool in my opiniin
Since you choose to insult me with unnecessary political potshots, I find the value of your opinion lacking.
Give the guy a break. If Obamacare isn’t overturned he gets free health care while living with his parents for the next 20 years.
Just to throw in my two cents on the whole Nick Fury white/black thing, two words; The Hoff.
Give me SLJ a million times over in place of some no-name or bad fit.
Also, was I the only person on the internet who liked Ang lee’s Hulk?
My two cents for Nick Fury: “Bruce Campbell”. Put an eye patch on Sam Axe and tell me he’s not right. And you’re not the only fan of “Hulk”. I felt that the father angle (and his “hulk-dogs”) might have been a little over-done, but I think the criticism was over-done as well. The effects and the action were good, and that’s what I want from a movie based on a comic book about a green radioactive angry giant.
I was with the guy who wrote the article until he characterized Mace Windu as “pandering.”
And since when do non-whites constitute a “new” demographic? If you want to do political articles get a talk show. I guess some folks just can’t contain themselves.
And because you clearly didn’t know it, it was MARVEL who first conceived of a black Nick Fury in their Ultimates universe. So if you have a problem with a black Nick Fury take it up with the company who owns the copyright.
And one more thing, since when have the good folks at whatculture done a “Who We’d Like To See Cast in a Black Panther Movie?” Or a Luke Cage movie? OR a Static Shock movie?
Seems there’s a cottage industry in whiners who like to moan about non-traditional casting, but when you ask them to prove how interested they are in developing non-white properties you quickly find they’re not interested at all. In fact they’re hostile to it.
Notice how WhatCulture has completely ignored Red Tails altogether!
If you don’t like Samuel L Fury then don’t watch the movies.
What’s your point JaySmack? Are you trying to imply that we are somehow racist because we haven’t done Fantasy Casting articles on those movies because they have black characters in them?
I would love a Luke Cage movie personally. But I don’t have to justify myself to you at all, because acknowledging your pompous ravings would be to acknowledge that I think of movies containing different ethnic groups as somehow different. And that is ridiculous.
Oh, and do your research before you accuse anyone of anything – WhatCulture is a UK based site. Red Tails has no UK release date yet set, and very little marketing at all over here. When there is, and we have a release date, we will write about it.
Also – I point you to this article. Which you commented on, and thus were fully aware of before you started throwing accusations around.
http://whatculture.com/film/who-should-play-ant-man-luke-cage-iron-fist-in-marvels-forthcoming-films.php
I like the list, made some very valid points except: Point #4: Samuel jackson as Nick Fury. Did you not read the Ultimates? He was nick Fury BEFORE the films were even a twinkle in Jon Favreau eye. The whole premise of the up-coming Avengers film, although modified from the comic slightly is the Ultimates story line. So yes, original Sgt./Colonel Fury was white, but if they are making the film based on the latest & greatest, not the Lee/Kirby creation than they did exactly what they should have done and cast the only actor who should play him.
Harumph
it did fustrate me with Chris Evans because he did such a good job in both films. your dead pool arm comment just made burst out laughing i was thinking the same thing. I would amend the statement about paradoxes,I think actors could be cast in multiple superhero movies, hey it’s a business and if they’ll do a good job, but it should never be from the same comic book francise. so they can’t do two marvel heroes but say a dc and a marvel is ok or a dar horse and a dc is ok. because if they do two marvel movies like chris evan you can not have a cross over like the fantastic four coming to help the avengers without either re casting a one of the characters thus negating to great jobs or using crap film tricks like cgi to make two Chris Evans appear in the same even if they did wont people see the resemblance a movie from a different francise does not have the same appeal of a cross over to me anyway.
the other thing annoyed me is political correctness you his it on the head Heimdall in THOR really black didnt anyone pick up flip through a mythology book Heimdall the god that vanquished Loki I know their basing on the comic book but he’s based on character to important not to scrutinise.
where is his gold teeth every line in movie was punctuated by a flash of pearly whites but the identifying distinguishing attribute of Heimdall is his gold teeth made for him by the dwarves its like thor never raising a hammer or zeus without a lightning bolt. the other thingis in the movie he’s black really asgard is culturally diverse i could vibe with that but heimdall is KNOWN AS THE WHITE GOD literally .I’m not racist anyone else could be could any other race but he’s literally described as it. i like comic books but why is thor blonde as well he’s constantly described in the myths as a red head constantly
You forgot to put in the number 2 the worst characterization of a comic book character in a movie: Bane in Batman & Robin.
Luckily he looks amazing in the dark knight rises.
Great article. I wholly agree with basically all of your arguments. Sadly funny how the Green Lantern film has basically got all bases covered in the how-not-to-do-things stakes. Anybody would think it was the first superhero film ever made and then could be forgiven for being such a god-awful crapbucket. I especially liked your point about getting the villains right. Not so sure about Chris Hemsworth anger. Maybe I detect some jealousy there. What other giant blonde guy would you prefer in his place. Chris Evans?!! hahahaha. I kid.
PS: regardless of the haters in your comments thread, at least you got mega-hits for this post. Well done.
“but don’t cast an Aussie to do a bad British accent and hope that Americans won’t notice” better than an american with their 1800s cock-a-nee accent.
Oh my goodness. This so simmering of a villian could be exactly what “The Justice League” needs to become a successful franchise. Great article!
…and just to clarify, that was one of MANY examples…
“Even the great Jack did more fool THAT mania.” Really?
It’s bad enough that you write off such important ideas as saying Magneto has nothing more engaging about him than The Sandman, but at least try and give us some professional writing with which to digest your simple-minded opinions.
So … you’re saying you liked the article … or no?
Hehe.
You come off as quite racist in many of these articles, particularly the one about political correctness. seriously I think the movies are fine, you just might be racist.
The race card is the defense of a lazy mind. Try again. :)
Also, you should be aware that nick fury is not supposed to be over onehundred years old… meaning he would not have been hired in the 70s or 80s or something…