Batman is, to put it simply, an anomaly. He’s a character who has remained one of the most loved and respected superheroes of all time, despite undergoing various phases of reinvention – and a couple of attempts to ruin his credibility completely. When plotted chronologically, this development has clearly been a dramatic one; from the colourful, good natured fun of the Adam West starring 1966 feature film based on the television serial came the peril and twisted humour of the Burton / Schumacher interpretation, which was itself followed less than a decade later by the gritty atmosphere of the Chris Nolan trilogy.
With each new incarnation the characters have become far more grounded in a believable reality while the drama has become more serious and the humour has become reduced to the point of near non – existence. Along the way audiences have been repeatedly faced with disparate emotions; moments which have left them awe struck; moments which have left them in suspense; moments which have made them cheer; moments which have made them cry; and moments which have made them question why they bought a ticket in the first place. Indeed, this constant development of the caped crusader’s character hasn’t been without a few ‘hiccups’ along the way, the exploration and explanation of which is the purpose of this article. So, where to begin?]
When attempting to compile a list such as this, it quickly becomes important to define what the word ‘worst’ means. If it is taken to mean ‘unrealistic’, ‘impossible’ or ‘futuristic’ then there would be little left for me to do but type up every film’s plot synopsis. For this reason, I have defined my top ten ‘worst’ moments as any plot point, scene, character or piece of dialogue which doesn’t fit with the rest of the film in which it features. This has made criticising them somewhat easier, although I have no doubt that I will come up against opposition regarding all of my points. For this reason I ask you to bear in mind that these are my choices alone, based on my interpretation of the films, so if you have anything to add or if you disagree please don’t hesitate to leave a comment below!
Now, without further ado, in no particular order:
10# The Batpod’s CGI – The Dark Knight (2008)
The chase in The Dark Knight (2008) is arguably the film’s centrepiece; Harvey Dent’s life hangs in the balance; the Joker is captured; Commissioner Gordon makes a surprise return; and there are more than enough crashes, splashes and explosions to keep the audience on the edge of their seats throughout. The IMAX used to shoot the scene gives it a crystal clear visual quality, which combined with Hans Zimmer’s haunting score gives the whole sequence an overwhelming sense of peril and drama. However, there are a couple of things within this sequence which spoil what would have otherwise been a flawless piece of cinema.
The first is the CGI as the Batpod detaches from the Tumbler; the shots of it screeching through malls and packed side streets like a banshee blowing away everything from windows to parked cars are excellent, but in order to do this it first had to be written into the scene. Having Batman arrive on it could have been feasible (he only arrives when the chase is in progress, after all, and there must be other ways to deal with the garbage truck) but instead it is produced at the expense of the Tumbler.
Christopher Nolan is quoted by a crew member on the DVD special features as saying he wanted to destroy the Tumbler at the end of Batman Begins, but didn’t due to plot considerations. This time he got his wish, replacing the military commissioned goliath with the Batpod and simultaneously creating one of the more noticeable pieces of CGI in the entire film. Then, to further the use of unnecessary CGI, when the chase has concluded and the Joker’s truck has been flipped the Batpod rides up a wall, pivots on its rear wheel and settles back to earth. The truck was flipped in the real world using real compressed gas, so what’s wrong with turning the Batpod around like any normal motorbike? When will film makers learn that such obvious pieces of CGI kills movies by dragging the audience kicking and screaming from the immersion which the rest of the scene so carefully creates? Sorry for the rant, but I feel that Nolan and his team detracted from the excellent work they did on creating such a stunt by following it up with something which could have been executed far better.
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Good list, but I was sad to see no mention of the infamous “bat nipples.”
Shh! We’ve all only just managed to successfully repress those terrible images
Good call James, to be honest I’m surprised I didn’t think to include that one! Definitely not a highlight of the films; I’m glad they dispensed of that for the Nolan trilogy (although I think there was one suit made with nipples for publicity purposes)
I’d heard that too and vaguely remeber seeing pics online.
The only gripe I have is with #10 and turning the Batpod. The stunt driver who actually pilots the “bike” was the only stunt driver they had that could do it. In an interview in Empire Magazine Nolan brought up that when the pod was made it drove nothing like a bike and in fact the only reason the stunt driver could manage it was because he was snow-boarder outside of work and ended up treating the pod more like that than like a bike.
The few times he forgot to do so and relaxed into an “I’m driving a bike” mindset, he would ultimately lose control and crash. So unfortunately the way he half drives up a wall and turns was a necessary evil.
I’d add Bane. They ruined a great character.
Agreed. He’s going to be in ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ so hopefully he’ll have a little bit more independence this time around.
Jamie – that’s what I’m counting on. Everytime I say to my friends I’m hyped for new bane they look at me strange and wonder why would I want to see hulk hogan on screen ;)
katie holmes
I much preferred Katie Holmes to Maggie Gyllenhaal actually.
I agree. Maggie Gyllenhaal was beyond poor, at least Katie Holmes was passable.
To stick up for the old films, the art gallery scene in Batman is, I always thought, pretty good. I’m glad to see the reconstructed bullets singled out from The Dark Knight, though. I always thought that was kind of weird.
When I started reading this I was convinced Bat Nipples would be #1. I might add the Cell Phone Sonar from TDK in there somewhere as well.
Also, #10 says The Dark Knight RISES (2008)
Batman&Robin
TDK – Replacing the climax with a group of extras on a boat discussing the themes of the film.
TDK – Relying on Fox for 2 films to supply gadgets, and then having Wayne set up an intricate sonar surveillance unit alone without Fox even noticing.
In fact, most plot points from Dark Knight come about “as a narrative device to advance the plot when the writers were stuck in a rut.”
Get. A. Life.
For me the boat scene got a little stale after a while, with the to-ing asnd fro-ing between the characters dragging on a little too long. Still, I wouldn’t define it as a ‘worst’ moment, especially in light of my own definition of the term.
As for Fox, I enjoyed his appearances; not only is Morgan Freeman entertaining to watch, but his character provided a grounded and realistic explanation for the suit, the gadgets and the Tumbler. Think of him as a Bat-Q of sorts!
You’re right Jamie, Freeman’s moments provide welcome relief. Although I’d take any of the so-bad-it’s-good moments from Batman and Robin over the shonky dialogue and contrived plot points of Nolan’s latest outing.
Pete – I’ll get a life when you get good taste in films. Deal?
Good Taste in films ? You do realize TDK is one of the highest rated movies of all time, right ?
Two Face & The Riddler from Batman Forever, Bane from Batman & Robin, The Joker’s extra long pistol in Batman, the Batmobile driving up the wall in Batman Forever… ALL deserve to be on this list ahead of ANYTHING from The Dark Knight.
Come on, though, you’ve got to play fair. None of the things you’ve singled out would have worked in TDK, but some of them work within the context of the film they’re in. Tim Burton wouldn’t put the extra-long gun, for example, in TDK if he were making that film, but he wan’t making that film – he was making his Batman.
That’s why this list has to take films on their own terms. On TDK’s own terms, the sci-fi fingerprint reconstruction is a bit of a stretch. The super-long gun (and I’m just singling out this as an example) is in keeping with Jack Nicholson’s Joker in Tim Burton’s Batman. Is TDK a better film than Batman89? Yeah, in my opinion – and most people’s – it is. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t moments that don’t work in the former and moments that do in the latter.
I see where you’re coming from Trey; to be honest, all of the points you mentioned were on my initial list. Still, Roland has hit the nail on the head; when it came to shortlisting everything down, I felt as though some of them had to be understood in the context of their time and creative direction, so I let them off. As I wrote in the article, it was very difficult to pick what to include and what to omit without seemingly contradicting my choices. Hopefully I’ve kind of done that!
Aww, I thought the Joker’s extra long pistol was great. One of the few moments in the Batman movies that were reminiscent of the Joker from the comic books.
Got a few complaints here, but I stick to the most important one.
You didn’t ad the part of Catwoman KILLING people in Batman Returns.
A complete and total violation of her charakter.
Kaga; I’m no expert on the ‘Batman’ franchise and its universe by any means. I took each film as its own independent interpretation and only picked out those moments which I felt had not been implemented very well in terms of flow and character development. The way that the characters were presented wasn’t so much of a concern – note the criticisms above of Bane’s representation too.
Regarding Catwoman specifically, I did read once that she shot ‘Black Mask’ in the head at one point and that this is considered to be canon? If this is indeed the case then I suppose Tim Burton’s adaptation just took that idea a stage further?
Hmm.. I liked the way the Bat Pod detaches from the Tumbler. Every time I watch the film I always replay that scene. Beautiful shot.
But I do I agree with the way it goes up the wall and turns around. Looks cheap.
Hi Everado, nice to hear an alternative opinion on the Batpod shot. For me it was something that I disliked, although I’ll agree that the shot of it riding up the wall is the worst out of the two.
This is a terrible list. You put reverse engineering bullets before the bat credit card? Really? Half the things on this list weren’t even bad, and you didn’t feel that Burt Ward and Adam West deserved even a cameo, when they tarnished the name of Batman for decades? Be gone with you.
Hi William. To be honest I didn’t assign a specific order to my points (at the end of the opening segment I even wrote ‘in no paticular order’) because it was so difficult to pick between them. However, I did number the points one through ten for the sake of reference, a system which was then reversed from ten down to one by the editor after I submitted the final draft.
In the case of the Bat credit card I couldn’t agree more that it beats anything from ‘TDK’, such was its stupidity. Reverse engineering of bullets was, as stated, only a minor criticism, but it just didn’t sit right with me.
As far as Adam West et al are concerned, I don’t feel like anything in the 1966 movie can be criticised because it’s all incredibly daft – even the Bat credit card would fit in nicely! I learnt early on that trying to pick faults in something that’s so good it’s bad is actually incredibly difficult.
One final point; which of my points would you say ‘weren’t even bad’? I’m interested to know.
Jamie
I don,t thInk this is sensible AT ALL!!! SORRY
I am terribly found of the art gallery scene in the 1989 batman because it just makes me laugh every time, and it fits because the joker is after the girl and he thinks in his twisted head that the music and dancing will impress (scare) her in some sick way. I thought the helicopter in the CGI scene from TDK was the worst CGI of the movie and that the bike though noticeable was done well. I agree with the Penguins big rubber ducky, it is such an eye sore it just make me mad, I think you could have also included the bad design of the Penguins henchmen as well because they kind of look like jesters more than resembling anything bird like. I agree with the remote bat mobile being a bad choice it was the worst thing about that film. Batman and robin was the worst a batman film could get, so I agree with any about that film. The others I also agree with you.
I enjoyed reading this. There were some elements I’ve never considered that you posed. Made for a fun read and some interesting thought provoking.
I personally loved Val Kilmer as Batman. I hate that George Clooney was cast after Kilmer, just because he was Hollywood’s “It Guy” at the time. Or so it felt that way to me.
One thing that always irks me for some odd reason; but has become a constant running joke between my buddies and I that almost entirely takes me out of Batman Forever is the scene between Kilmer and Nicole Kidman, when all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Kilmer/Bruce Wayne develops a lisp while asking Kidman, “Tell me, doctor. Do you like the thircuth?”
Nowhere in the rest of the film (to my observation) does Kilmer have an audible lisp. That’s something real specific to nitpick at; but, it always takes me out of the scene.
Thanks for the read!
#2 Worst Batman moment: when Joel Schumaker going full-retard with Batman franchise.
#1 Worst Batman moment: when Tim Burton became director of the first Batman movie. Face it, Burton’s movie sucked @$$ because he sucks as a director. Afte that it was totally downhill from there.
His quirky stupidity choked the film into senseless gags and lousy jokes. It wasn’t Batman, it was retarded.
And for those who try to praise burton anyway, give it a rest. The problem with running interferance for Burton’s crap is that you start off with retarded camp and gag after gag and it’s not very far from there before you wind up with nipples on the Batsuit.
It amazes me that people stil haven’t figured this out. Serious is the ONLY way to treat comic-book related material. Go serious, or go home.
I don’t understand the criticism of the Batpod going up the wall. It looked practical to me. If they used CGI, I would imagine it was for the actor’s safety. But I saw it in IMAX and the shot didn’t take me out of the film at all.
The Rubber Ducky craft is an echo from the opening of “Batman Returns,” when we see baby Oswald locked into a cage. A little rubber ducky is dangling outside the bars. It’s easy to miss.
poison ivy dressed as a gorilla = “blonde Venus”
I’m so glad you posted it. Uma was to play Dietrich for Louis Malle before he died and this was a nice homage. She was the best thing in the film.
Enjoyed reading the list – The only one I have an issue with is about the giant Duck…I actually enjoyed the absurdity of it. And also it makes sense considering that the penguin hangs out in the abandoned zoo and the duck was part of one of the rides.
I lv this movies
All these Batman, Fatman, Superman, Ironman, Whateverman movies are retarded.
How can you say superheroes are retarded? These are stories of people taking charge and saving lives! We need heroes to look up to even if they are fictional.
Enjoyed your list, sir. Everything on it works for me.
Here’s a wince-inducing list, in no particular order.
1. The neon glow given to everything at the request of the toy marketing team in “Batman & Robin”
2. Dick Grayson “borrowing” the Batmobile in “Batman Forever.” You think that Bruce/Batman would have had some sort of detector that prevented its theft, especially after the shields used in the first TB Batman.
3. Batman being knocked out cold, but instantly recovered as soon as they try to take off his mask in the first TB Batman.
4. The use of all the Vari-Lights in “Batman Forever” for the Riddler’s Lair with the question mark. That kind of thing takes too much time to setup and program.
5. The vapid celebrity guest host in BF and B&R.
6. Alfred letting Vicki Vale into the Batcave.
7. The Joker taking over the Mayor’s speech in Batman.
8. The other bad one-liners in BF: “The Batsignal is not a beeper.” “Hot entrance!” “Is everybody listening?” “Gonna take a ride in my love-mobile.” and plenty of others. But compared to the entire script of B&R …
9. The elevated train system in “Batman Begins” disappeared, along with the more Gothic looking Gotham City.
10. The complete corruption of the Gotham City police force, with the exception of Gordon.
11. The Scarecrow cameo in TDK.
12. The recasting of Rachel Dawes; I like both actresses, but as one of your colleagues noted in a different post, it busts up the continuity.
13. The complete lack of backstory for the Joker in TDK. In this day and age, NO ONE is that anonymous.
Gotta move on, but there’s always plenty to criticize, even in the best of films.
And note, I didn’t even mention the hated “Bat Nipples.”
The train system was in TDK, but you have to look fast. As far as the rest of the city, everything is the same but the narrows, which was destroyed in the last film.
Here is a photo of the monorail on TDK – It is right above the building in the bottom left corner http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x135/symbiote24/fhfghfhfghfg.png
There are several parts where they show the monorail in both TDK and TDKR, the first in TDK being in the prologue scene
batman and robin film should fill the all the places worst film ever
Love that Mr Freeze is a moment unto himself.
Didn’t see it mentioned in the batpod writeup, but if you watch it again, as fast as Nolan would like you to believe its going, its obviously going REALLY slowly.
For my 2 cents I’d say the worst part in The Dark Knight isn’t mentioned, and thats the whole scene with the 2 boats, just awful. Shoehorned in to make some very unnecessary points and just felt like a massive contrivance. Also, I don’t mind the art gallery scene in the original.
The list could be and should have been reduced to two words: Joel Schumacher.
I thought it was impossible to make a worse Batman film than “Batman Forever.” Nonsensical plot, horrible dialogue, action scenes that start in the middle and exist solely because there hasn’t been an action scene for 10 minutes, stupid villains trying to out-Joker the Joker rather than have any kind of actual personality themselves … and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Burton’s movies have their flaws, and Nolan’s do have plot contrivances (and “Batman Begins” does have its share of leaden dialogue), but they’re masterpieces next to this cinematic disaster.
But then there’s “Batman & Robin,” which manages to make “Forever” look sort of okay. Ye gods.
By the way, Schwarzenegger’s “acting credentials”? What are those, exactly? He’s made some fun movies, but come on. No one’s ever mistaken him for an actual actor. Were you expecting Olivier?
The scene in Batman and Robin where Robin goes to Ivy’s lair with celophane or what not on his lips always makes me laugh.
That scene in Batman Forever where they solve The Riddler’s riddle:
“M R E!”
“A mystery!”
“And what’s another word for mystery?”
“An enigma!”
“Mr E. Nigma! Edward Nigma! Stickley’s suicide was obviously a computer-generated forgery.”
Brilliant Holmes…
And seriously? That was Riddler’s plan all along with those riddles? That’s why he didn’t kill Batman when he had the chance? Just to give Batman his name in a retardedly complex and asinine way that Batman will figure out easily?
Oh yeah and what about that scene where he throws the bat-arang at that green thingy:
“You’re a blind as a bat!”
“Exactly.”
Batman then activates a night-vision rig to hit the brightest, greenest thing in the room that is just above them and he could probably have hit anyways without any targeting gear or whatever the hell that thing was.
So we are not going to mention the court room scene in “batman forever”?
I had forgotten about the bat card. That was pretty bad. It seemed like a bad commercial in the middle of a movie. To this day I think it is an American Express plug.
Its good to see that there is nothing on this list from the 1966 Batman Movie.
Agree with all bar 10, 4 and 2. Mr. Freeze should have been higher. And how could you have missed out Bane? or Robin as a whole? Or the rave-paint gangs? But yeah, good list.
I’d say I agree with most of the things on that list. I do think, though, that Batman Begins deserves at least some criticism (even though the overall tone and most of the execution was spot on). I have thought since first seeing it that Batman Begins’ action scenes were all edited way too fast and could have benefitted from at least some slow motion somewhere in there. Whether it’s the sword fight scene that destroys the mountain house (where Bruce and Ducard slide almost off the cliff) or the first Tumbler chase or everything surrounding the monorail scene towards the end, it just made me wonder what happened to slow motion? It’s all waaaay too fast. But, luckily Christopher Nolan seemed to learn from those mistakes and the action in Dark Knight, Inception, and The Dark Knight Rises all show marked improvement.