You could feel it happening even before Prometheus announced itself on our cinema screens – as anticipation for the movie reached fever pitch, Prometheus was dividing the disparate Alien fanboy collectives into variant factions. Your inclusion depended on which side of the fence you sat with regards to how you believed the movie would answer the Alien connection question… Was it an Alien prequel, or wasn’t it? Was the xenomorph going to appear in the movie, or not? And yet all that tension pales into insignificance next to the spats that have arose since Prometheus exploded at the box office, as vitriolic posts either in defence or in support of the film are spewed onto blog and forum alike.
There appear to be two key camps: i) those that view Prometheus as an existential work of soul-searching genius that has delivered the sci-fi genre back from the nadir it reached with Alien Vs Predator, and ii) those that consider it a plot-hole ravaged carcass masquerading as a masterpiece that may very well have damaged Ridley Scott’s film-making legacy as he moves into the twilight of his years. In space, it seems, there is no middle ground from where people can hear you scream.
Chief to the creation of these divisive splits is the failure of Prometheus to provide answers to the grandiose questions that it poses. Though the movie is rather heavy-handed and far from subtle when dealing with its underlying themes and motifs, it relies on a heady mix of ambiguity and enigma when it comes to hinting at answers. Deliberate ambiguity applied to film can be a wonderful thing- a kind of magic employed by the expert film-maker who can use it challenge and stretch their audience. However, in order to achieve this rare feat the fundamentals of the film must be strong: a movie that utilises ambiguity and enigma to satisfying effect should do so skilfully and sparingly, and whether Prometheus actually does this is seriously open to question. The myriad plot-holes and other screenplay issues are certainly causing many people to see what purports to be deliberate opaqueness as sheer ineptitude.
Ironically, Ridley Scott was previously considered an expert when using ambiguity in the science fiction field- people are still debating today whether or not the principal character of Blade Runner, Rick Deckard, is a replicant. And, prior to Prometheus, the plot point on which many people continued to dwell after watching Alien was the enigmatic character of the Space Jockey, the giant extraterrestrial humanoid who appears- momentarily but very memorably- as the long-dead pilot of the derelict spacecraft on LV-426.
To silence the critics and to vouch that Prometheus is not just a melting pot of quasi-philosophical posturing designed to short-circuit your small human brain, Prometheus screenplay writer Damon Lindelof has stated that the triumvirate behind the movie- himself, Jon Spaihts and Ridley Scott- do indeed have a set of pre-defined answers:
“Ridley wanted to know what the answers were as well, and we talked about those at great length,and then he determined what it was he wanted to put in the movie… those answers are not definitively presented in Prometheus, though if you look through all the materials, I think that the evidence is all there to form a very informed opinion as to what happened…”
After my third viewing of Prometheus I believe that the film does indeed present clues to potential answers, but- as per Lindelof’s comments above- few if any are definitive. Here I seek to offer my interpretation of the events of the movie. For the sake of levity and brevity this ‘Answering the Titan’ series will be divided into three articles: this particular article will focus on what I believe are the answers to the Prometheus conundrum, whilst the next two articles will delve into the mythological and thematic motifs explored within the Prometheus narrative.
Whether or not I am a victim to the genius of Damon Lindelof or am a sucker who spent several hours of his life trying to make sense of an empty shell of a movie– you can let me know your opinion below…
And so here we go– let’s answer the titan!
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Wow. Just wow. You have nailed it I think! Not only does this perfectly
(and very well I must add) explain the erratic frakkin nature of the black
goo but it presents a totally plausible explanation as how to how things
tie into ALIEN and why Ridley used to bang on about that SJ being a good
guy!
The best article I have read on a Prometheus explanation and containing
some totally original ideas! Amazeballs.
Ps – Perhaps Lindelof should get you on board to help write the sequel?!
PPS – You should probably get out more… ;-)
Very well thought out, I especially liked the ‘geek boy’ comment about Scott waiting for someone else to come up with a plausible thread to take to the next level. In reading this, I came up with an alternate possibility for the ‘why did they make us’ which fits in to all of the other well thought out explanations…..’what if’ the engineers were completely aware of what they were doing, and created life on Earth much in the way we cultivate stem cells for research? They knew they had a mutagen and wished to experiement further with their own DNA. They created the ‘strain’ of humanity to then return and infect with stage 2, the alien mutagen, to not create humanity, but to create the xenomorphs which they either revered or wished to use as a weapon. When they come upon David and the crew, they had not anticipated start travel from their genetic offspring. Earth was always a target for the deployment of the goo once it had been populated with humans. There was apparently enough goo for the entire planet. The drawings weren’t directions for us to follow, they were instructions for the next stage.
@ CaptainTrouble,
Thanks. Glad you liked it!
My initial piece of narrative was much longer on point 4, and mentioned that we (humans) may well have been the missing integral part of the xenomporph (original form) creation puzzle. I abandoned it because i) the article was becoming too academic and long, and ii) something didn’t feel quite right about it…
I thought there were 2 reasons why they has created us in the manner that they did…
a) in order to create the xenomorph in its pure ancient form they needed another host and they were unwilling to use themselves as part of the jigsaw – perhaps because it was either i) against their belief system, or ii) their DNA was not exactly compatible and needed to be substituted by something that had arisen from them and yet been influenced by the xenomorph genome. Mural 2 also seemed to give this some credibility- since it conveyed their previous genetic experimentation had yielded less-than-perfect results.
b) the host they created had to evolve NATURALLY – as oppose to be being created petri-dish style. This would explain why the Engineers were willing to wait millions of years for us to evolve rather than for them to just speed us along (and hey, when you’re a master of Eternity what’s a few million years in the grand scheme of things?!)
In the end I abandoned this theory- something just didn’t feel right about them creating us and hanging around for millions of years.
And yet at the same time what did feel REALLY right was that the nature of the black liquid that I explained in (2) sits perfectly with this.
Still thinking…!!!
I’m surprised anyone got stumped on what the black goo was. I kinda assumed a variation of what you said. Remember the whole idea that xenomorphs take genetic cues from the lifeforms they breed through that was hinted at in alien and aliens. The black goo is millions of nano-proto-xenomorphs, and they turn those standard worms into evil space worms, and that dudes sperm into evil space sperm. Seems to make sense…
Anyway, speculation is more fun than picking holes in the thing…
Some excellent hypothesise however, it only highlights further the lack of a coherent and well structured narrative. This is what I call Star Wars syndrome, where fans will make up narrative points and ideas to fill the gaps/plot holes/continuity errors in the star wars movies. For example, in Jedi Leia telling Luke about her memories of their mother…..even though in Sith we see Padme dying straight away. “But she is strong with the force so blah blah blah” Even if these ideas people come up with make perfect sense, they are no where to be found in the movie so the a film is still flawed.
This is not an attack on your well reasoned article.
@ Ed,
If other areas of the film were strong I think we would be applauding the Prometheus team for the ambiguity but I agree that given the myriad flaws with the movie (and alas with things that could so easily have been avoided) many things just do begin to look sloppy.
Wow! This really made me think, it looks like I have missed some important things while watching the movie. Interesting article which challenges you to think! Looking forward to read the next one!
Thank you for writing this. Been extremely frustrated with criticisms that to me seem perfectly unfounded and this addresses many of them. Would also like to put forth the possibility that the engineer’s decapitation of David may not have been disdain for synthetic life but rather just general contempt for humans after briefly admiring the fact that a lifeform they had created had advanced far enough to create lifeforms of their own.
Thanks Chris.
Good read. The goo is what annoyed me the most. Also if the engineers are 100% genetic match why are they albino giants? Is it due to the gravity and food of their homeworld that they are bigger and stronger?
HI Cena2j,
I don’t believe that the computer ever say ’100% genetic match’, just ‘match’.
it said DNA Match. i’m no scientist or anything, but we humans share the same DNA yet differ in appearances.
Also, remember that DNA is simply a measure of things in our biology and world that we’ve created to see in a way we can understand. We only know what we’ve fit into our frames of knowledge. So since we are dealing with these Engineer beings faaaarrrrr out of our world, perhaps there are other building blocks that make up what they are that we don’t have any way to measure or ‘see.’
Nice analysis of the film. Everything you say seems perfectly plausible and credit to you for it. If you had been writing the script, maybe all these ideas would have been better incorporated into the film and translated to the audience. I do think Lindelof hoped that people will make up their own interpretation on what they see and cover the plot holes for him at the same time.
Putting the cliched characters and the terrible dialogue to one side, everything else in the script has no thought put into it and the second half of the film collapses because of it. A perfect example is the goo, its just a device to make the next chain of events happen. Nothing has been worked out about what it actually does. In the same way the ”red matter” in Star Trek was a substance that made no sense, this is the same.
Its fine to watch a film and then afterwards speculate on what everything meant but that doesn’t mean the film itself is any good. This had big ideas and promised lots but failed thanks to the writing and damaged Ridley Scott in the process.
I read you’re very horrible(my opinion) analysis of Prometheus, and you obviously have an extremely biased opinion on hating things for some reason(once again, my own ‘biased’ opinion). I really wouldn’t take anything you say serious or put thought into it seeing as all you try to do is be the ‘I don’t conform to the stuff everyone else likes.’ type. Once again, just my opinion.
And you gathered all that from me not liking one film? Well done you.
Amarpal,
I enjoyed your post on the ’20 blunders’.
I did think you were a touch harsh but I could get behind some of your points.
The big issue for me.. Dave says they’ve been in cryo-sleep for “2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes…”
Why 36 hours? Is there some clever point we missed? Surely in filming Fassbender or Charlize would have noticed that mistake and asked Damon about it?! I have wracked by brain and can’t work it out.
There’s no doubt a lot us feel let down by what we expected to be an undisputed masterpiece. We did have high expectations- but we were led to have them.
Benji, my man, you are a genius.
Hands off he is mine…
@ Simon, DutchDavid, Ed, Pusscat, Cena2J, Amarpal…
Thanks for the kind words and I am really glad that you enjoyed the article.
its just showing a flaw in the android …we have yet to perfect the A.I
@BMJ,
Agreed. It’s showing ‘twitchy programming’… See this article…
http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-writer-jon-spaihts-confirms-36-hours-plot-hole-was-deliberate.php
I think you pointed out all the relevant noticeables… but failed to notice the thread that ties everything together. Try looking into the ‘Sumerian’ angle. All the imagery, from opening scene, to violence at the end, is easily explained (including the murals).
his article on mythology is coming next week he says, so dont bet on him having missed that, especially given that his ABOUT section says he loves mythology. prob a guru.
@ Justin, Rocky,
Thanks for commenting. Part 2 of the ‘Answering the Titan’ series will indeed deal with mythology and yes, Mesopotamian myth will be mentioned!
Great stuff.
great great article. the alien connection is spot on and i have not read that interpretation before. black goo – great great.
best original analysis i read.
looking forward to the sequel. will it have space jockeys in it? haha.
Well done my friend, a great hypothesis and answers more than one of the many questions I had when walking out of the cinema. Think I’ll take another trip back to the cinema out of curiosity. The film left me a bit empty as I was expecting so much more. Let’s hope the sequel takes into consideration all your suggestions. Great work again ;-)
Amazing article. Jesus theory is MEH. Good work :)
I loved this.
Are you doing Ridley’s job for him though?
Perhaps he should have had less enigma.
Look forward to the follow-up articles.
Film should have been so much better.
@ Marcus, Pretend Friend, Mister Jones, Sandstorm,
Thanks all for commenting. I’m glad that you liked the article.
@ Pretend,
And I’m especially glad if it got you thinking and maybe clarified some things. Of course until Ridley or Damon come out and give some direct answers this all remains conjecture… Albeit hopefully some ‘well thought out’ conjecture!
I would definitely say that I enjoyed the movie more the second time.
Some of this is very good, some of it seems to have missed a few things.
the whole 2000 years ago thing. You’ve missed out on the fact that 2 of the cave drawings occur centuries later, including a 7th century one in Hawai’i.
The Space Jockey felling to his homeworld, could have easily sent a message rather than deliver it in person, surely?
LV -426 is a moon around a ringed gas giant in the Zeta 2 Reticuli system. That’s 39 light years from us. LV 223 , as in the figures given in this film is just under 35 light years from us. They are not the same solar system.
No.
Benji is right. both moons orbit the same planet.
LV-223 is in one of three moons of a ringed gas giant, orbiting the star
Gleise 86, as is LV-426.
The planet is called Calpamos.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Calpamos
Yes same system. This is the case.
Hwy did the cave drawings point humans to a planet that stored there WMD. You would think they would point to there homeword ! Not the planet they would launch an attack from. Makes little sense to me. The movie fell short of my expextions in many area’s. I hope for another sequel that will answer some of these questions !
Why did the cave drawings point to LV 223? I’m not convinced that they did. Look at Holloway’s method of deduction. They get a match to the pattern of six stars. Fine. Then, rather than check out which of them are ADEQUATE to support life, he singles in on the BEST star, looks at what planet or moon has a similar atmosphere to Earth, and declares he has found what he’s looking for. That’s not scientific. Why pick the most ideal star? Well, why would heaven be around a less than ideal star? And by finding something on LV 223, he considers that his theory is proven correct. No consideration to an alternate explanation e.g. This is the local neighborhood for this race of ‘Engineers’. Surely if you picked a planet around any of those stars you might find that they have an outpost or homeworld there. Just like at the time of the mission, Weyland Industries have outposts on many worlds. A UFO landing on one, wouldn’t just assume they’d found the homeworld, would they?
There was nothing to indicate a welcome, and everything to indicate stay out. A giant scary skull on the roof is generally speaking a clear ‘do not enter’ to any human culture (unless it’s the annual pirate convention)
Holloway did not find their homeworld.
Another possible answer would be that the visitor is trying to warn us – “This is where they are. They’re coming for you. Get ready.” Or, maybe he hoped this star pattern would become a part of our culture and, when the time was right, when we’d advanced enough to be able to get to the stars, we’d use it as a map to go on the offensive.
Of course this is all conjecture, as none of this was explained (or even hinted at) in the movie…
Hi guys thanks for commenting.
Regarding why the painting pointed to LV-223 and not the homeworld it could be one of these things:
- it could well be that they did not mean to point to LV-223 and that Holloway’s extrapolations were wrong
- it could be that they were saying: “we’re here on this moon, we’re watching you, and if you mess up we are coming for you…”
Interesting points. One issue that I had with the film which was not addressed here or in the other article about the problems of the film: the Shaw character concludes that the Engineers were about to destroy Earth, but then changed their minds. I don’t know how she got the interpretation that they changed their minds – I thought it was far more likely that their mission was scrapped because of the accident. Also, it was not clear to me why the Engineers left a star map leading to a moon which was nothing more than a weapons depot for them. What was the point and why would they even want humans to know about that place, let alone go there?
You are mixing up plant names on the last page. LV423?
@ Tim, Real David 8, Robert, John, Shaun,
First off- thanks for commenting and letting me know your thoughts!
@ Tim,
I’m inclined to think that the Hawaii point is a continuity issue, and if it’s not then it really is very interesting- and might certainly lend some credence to the ‘rival factions’ of Engineers theories…
More plot-holes/ continuity problems seem to come up all the time. I spoke to a scientist friend today who explained that carbon dating would not work on another moon in the same way as on Earth, and the flame throwers wouldn’t work because of the CO2 in the atmosphere… I didn’t pick up on that at the time :-) Picky yes. But relevant!
Re. LV-223 and 426 it has been confirmed that they are in the same solar system.
It’s a valid point that the Engineer may have been able to send a message- under normal circumstances… but if he had contaminated the base and caused the issues on that moon, and contaminated himself in the process, he may have needed to get away from LV-223 pronto…
@ Tim, Robert,
Interesting points about Holloway making a potential error because of ‘assumption’. It’s certainly plausible! Given that he took his helmet off in record time on an alien moon would you trust that guy with anything?! That particular plot point for me was one of the most ridiculous when I first saw the movie. And Milburn’s petting moment of course!
@ Shaun,
My interpretation is that Shaw and David were both under the impression that the Engineers had only stopped because of what happened on the moon- hence why Shaw is so keen to extract the reasons why they wanted to destroy us when they try to converse with the Engineer at the end of the movie.
As to why they left a star map to the base- it’s a good point that Tim raises- did they do this, or did we just infer it? But to be honest it’s my feeling that this is another plot/ continuity issue. Fingers crossed it isn’t.
@ John,
The moon names are fine now.
Another great article!
I want to have your trilobite babies.
Aw!
This may be the most crazy comment I have ever seen on the net.
Alien trilobite babies? Ew!!!
He might well be cute but that comment is wrong, so so wrong!
My only problem with your analysis is at the end, stanting the xenomorph that burst from the engineer was a queen etc etc… thats not the same ship the Nostromo found – the Nostromo found a ship with a dead engineer in the pilot seat – this engineer was dead outside the ship. Add to that in Prometheus they were on LV-223 and in Alien they landed on Lv-4something. :)
But your analysis did make things make a lot more sense than the movie did. I was SO looking forward to this movie. Leaving the theatre I was bummed. After reading some reviews/plot hole websites/etc, the movie kinda sucked.
Reread that section Ed.
The tie-in to ALIEN is spot on from a logic point of view.
He says the ship is not presented or seen in PROMETHEUS, just inferred.
Benji says the engineer that the Nostromo found is not shown in the movie- it’s not the one that Shaw kills! One that we DO NOT see – but who did set the Enginners up for their fall.
Make sense?
Wes
Good article.
Well thought out.
You put more effort into it then lindelof did into the script.
I still think you’re reading meanings into shadows and writing your own movie were lindelof didn’t bother, but you’ve also done a better job then he did.
Thanks for sharing.
@ Dutch Girl, Ed, Wesley, Rob,
Thanks for the feedback and very kind words…
@ Ed,
I think Wesley clarified the moon and ship issue but if not let me know.
@ Rob,
Glad you liked it! Agreed I may be chasing rainbows but the more I think about it the more I think there’s more to the movie than I initially gave them credit for, but that it’s the stupid plot holes that let it down and detract from the genius in other areas. Time (and repeated viewings!) will tell…
More questions if you have time:
1. Why did David infect Holloway with the black goo? Just to get Shaw impregnated and take her home? How did he know how long it would take for this process to play out? How did he know Holloway wouldn’t just immediatley morph into some kind of monster like the other dude? Is this what you mean by convenient plot device?
2. There’s no way Shaw would’ve been able to get all the alien material out of her body, even after the awesome (and totally unrealistic) surgery scene. It looked like she just cut the umbilical cord leaving the placenta (assuming there was one) inside her body. Not only would this rot inside her causing sepsis, but every cell of the cord, blood and placenta would contain the alien DNA. Wouldn’t it try to re-grow itself?
Please let me know if I’ve missed something.
Thanks
Hi there Mike…
No problem at all…
1. David was following orders. Weyland has said to him ‘try harder’ to which he slyly obtained what he deemed to be Holloway’s approval (‘how far would you go to get your answers…?’)
Of course this is still quite far fetched. There is no way that David could know what the liquid would do (more on this below though), but he did know that Weyland was looking for eternal life/ replenished youth and could have been ‘testing the water’ (pun intended!) to see if it was some kind of magical elixir.
Apparently we may well get to see a deleted scene on the blu-ray version that shows the ‘conversation’ between Weyland and David – it occurs on a boat in the sea via neural interaction, utilsing the technology that allows David to ‘spy’ on Shaw’s dreams.
I also theorised at one point that when David read the hieroglyphs and tapped into the Engineer’s system he may well have uncovered the secrets of the black liquid then. Again- it’s quite far fetched and very conjectural which is why I did not include this in my article.
2. I agree. A lot of artistic license was taken here! This is where the Prometheus writing team say… it’s the future, so it just WORKS! So no you didn’t miss anything on this point – we just have to suspend some disbelief for the sake of the (amazing, but flawed) abortion/ caesarian scene…
Benji, my most heartfelt congrats! The murals were just about the only Gigeresque mystery still standing undiminished by the time the movie ended. I’m not sure if anything can save the sequel, but if they are to stand even half a chance with it, they should definitely hire you!
The movie Prometheus has made at the box office according to IMDB – $224,989,539 as of June 21st 2012 – Worldwide. Since the movie cost $130,000,000 to make, they covered that and made about $100,000,000 so far, this in just two weeks and before the DVD, rentals and TV revenues so I would say the movie has been a commercial success and we will probably see a sequel in the summer of 2015.
This article has had me and all my buddies talking.
It’s a great piece of analysis and what I like most is that – after reading your Prometheus review and other article on Prometheus- is I can see you clearly recognise the many many issues that the film has, but have still tried to piece it together instead of going ‘this film is absolute drivel and beneath me’.
You are so right that people seem to jump either totally to the left or right when it comes to PROMETHEUS. Yes, as you say, in space no middleground can be found from where to scream! Yet you find the middleground here.
I honestly want to say hats off to you for a great piece of writing.
I am looking forward to the other PROMETHEUS pieces.
Good work mister.
PS – don’t be surprised if Damon Lindelof reads this and smiles! I am sure word of this article will get round to him ;-)
@ Antonius, Greg, Real David, Wesley,
Thanks all for your comments. I really appreciate the massive support that these Prometheus articles have had.
@ David,
I assume you helped police someone who spammed the comments? If so, thanks!
@ Greg,
Yes the box office taking look good and certainly point towards a sequel getting the green-light. Am just waiting for the call now from Damon and Ridley! ;-) Haha… As long as it’s not called ‘Alien vs Engineer vs Predator’!!!
The only problem I have is:
6. The Tie-in To Alien
The hold of the ship is actually carrying xeno eggs, some of which are protected by a layer of fine mist which reacts if broken. Alien implied the eggs were in stasis, perhaps for millions of years. The idea you’ve come up with doesn’t fit with established facts. Who the original Space Jockey was, why does he have a cargo of death, and where was he going with it – these questions are still unanswered, and I doubt they ever will be.
Good read though! :)
@ Consolcwby,
I am glad that you enjoyed it!
Thanks for commenting. The ‘laser-mist’ might be something that stems from the eggs themselves, stems/ derives from the queen that birthed them, or be Engineer created. It’s far from conclusive as far as I can tell and certainly not an established fact – then again what is an established fact in Ridley’s cosmos?!
Assumptions that the eggs had been there for millions of years stem from Dallas’s comments in ‘Alien’: “Alien life form. Looks like it’s been dead a long time. FOSSILISED. Looks like it’s growing out of the chair…”
Yet this was Dallas’s interpretation because the crew of the Nostromo assumed that the SJ was a lifeform, and not a suit/ lifeform hybrid that was integrated with the chair in that spacecraft.
Outstanding review!! An undiscovered talent,
until now. Bravo!!!! you are soooooo cute by
the way!!!!
Thanks for the analysis. Obviously your interpretation may or may not turn out to be correct, but it is provocative and thoughtful while appearing to connect the dots.
@ MB, @ AJ,
Thanks for commenting and it means a lot that this analysis resonated with you.
My theory, in a nutshell, on answering question number 4 (why they created us?) is that they wanted to create a new species that could serve as guinea pigs to them in order to try to recreate the xenomorphs by genetic manipulation using the black goo on a whole world full of humans.
Great article Benji! however i have to highlight and agree with Deadbolt’s post!…I thought you may have argued this when reading your article but you didn’t. Your first 2 chapters identified really well how 1. The engineers ‘idolize’ the perfect genes of the xenomorphs, and 2. The ‘black goo’ represents a mutative liquid which can ultimately produce a xenomorph…BUT you missed the weight of perhaps the most important quote of the film by David “sometimes, in order to create, you must first destroy…” Us humans were created by the engineers merely to fuel the production of xenomorphs! The engineers knew that the mutative ‘goo’ mixed with their DNA resulted in a xenomorph, therefore without compromising themselves and their own race they spawned humans as mere test subjects in order to execute their experiments…This conclusion would also then support the theory of a ‘benevolent’ engineer faced with the moral obligations to save an innocent and unaware human race on the verge of extinction…
Ambiguous plots that still confuse me are 1. The ancient star maps and why they pointed to an off world military base, and 2. why the only remains evident in the base are those of the engineers, where are the xenomorphs! you pointed out how the pile of dead engineers had holes in them and were running away, well then logically there should be grown big arse aliens still on the planet. Granted it is thousands of years later but either if they are dead or alive we did not see any evidence of their existence once…
@ Jankas, @ Deadbolt,
Thanks for commenting.
I will be honest- my initial piece of narrative was much longer on point 4, and mentioned that we (humans) may well have been the missing integral part of the xenomporph creation puzzle. I abandoned it because i) the article was becoming too academic and long, and ii) something didn’t feel quite right about it…
I thought there were 2 reasons why they has created us in the manner that they did…
a) – in order to create the xenomorph in its pure ancient form they needed another host and they were unwilling to use themselves as part of the jigsaw – perhaps because it was either i) against their belief system, or ii) their DNA was not exactly compatible and needed to be substituted by something that had arisen from them and yet been influenced by the xenomorph genome. Mural 2 also seemed to give this some credibility- since it conveyed their previous genetic experimentation had yielded less-than-perfect results.
b) the host they created had to evolve NATURALLY – as oppose to be being created petri-dish style. This would explain why the Engineers were willing to wait millions of years for us to evolve rather than for them to just speed us along (and hey, when you’re a master of Eternity what’s a few million years in the grand scheme of things?!)
In the end I abandoned this theory- something just didn’t feel right about then creating us and hanging around for millions of years.
And yet at the same time what did feel REALLY right was that the nature of the black liquid that I explained in (2) sits perfectly with this.
What an article! What a guy! Can’t wait to read more from you, Benji!
Nice rundown. I had a conversation shortly after watching Prometheus and we touched upon something not discussed here. When examining the first mural of the xenomorph I asked myself what would make the engineers revere them so much? I also came to the conclusion of Ash in Alien and thought then that maybe the engineers were trying to reproduce the xenomorph. Well, if they revered the xenomorph so much then they also are familiar with their life cycle and know that they are parasitic in nature and so require hosts. Perhaps their ‘colonies’ created are for that purpose and the ‘bomb ship’ isn’t in fact a bomb ship at all but an introduction of the black liquid that has proved (through events in Prometheus) to provide the makings of the xenemorphs. A human female impregnated by an ‘infected’ male produces a ‘proto face hugger’. I doubt they would be able to simply ask humans to provide this scenario and needed enough alive on a planet to allow for a large enough sample to produce it randomly. Therefore giving birth to a planet of proto-xenomorphs. So it’s not that they want to ‘destroy’ humanity with the black liquid outright, but to provide the building blocks for xenomorph creation.
This also would play into the rage factor of the space jockey/engineer at being introduced to humans after 2000 years of stasis. I agree with the conclusion against the android, especially since the engineers are so bio oriented. Yet they also would rage at the evidence of humanity progressing far more than their purpose. Perhaps they were never intended to become so self aware and technologically advanced to seek out the engineers in the first place and the surviving engineer was outraged at the prospect that some did, and so much so that they created non biological life forms to aid them in it.
If this is in fact the case it would also question the position that the depot is in fact a ‘military’ outpost.
Perhaps it is simply a bio engineering plant that has Earth as one of it’s production sites. This would explain why they pointed this installation out as a point of origin to primitive man because that is where they operate from rather than their precise point of actual origin.
Humanity thinks they are aggressive and so would default to what they understand, military operations. If you think about it like that then we’re like rats that have become self-aware of the cancer treatment scientist who has given us cancer. We then register our manipulators as aggressive and militaristic. Not to imply that a rat would provide informed consent if conscious, because, well neither would humanity if the intention for them is simply to play host to xenomorph evolution.
Just food for thought.
Some good points Samuel.
Please see my comments to Jankas & Deadbolt above regarding some ‘why they created us…’ points that were in my initial article but which I removed for the sake of brevity.
Benji, I hope that your creativity and ability to meticulously find plausibility in such large holes is being used in some way outside of film blogging and/or other undertakings with little to no proliferation, because we really need more minds like yours getting things done. Thank you for the time you spent on this article; it really has saved me from a few days of frustration with a film that was so beautifully executed, but left me so confused and unsatisfied with hardly any answers. Also, you make me feel like my mind may be going soft, as I caught little to nothing you’ve addressed in your article, accurate or otherwise.
May I join the list of people thanking you for your article. It may not all be true but its believable and almost reassuring – On that note please don’t start your own religion, the points you make are too believable and I reckon I would be wearing a white robe and chanting ‘For the greater good’ before long..
Your theories answer the teh bigger questions re the story but have you an opinion on the actual film itslef. The biggest question for me was the casting of Guy Pierce as a very old man – what exactly is the point? Unless he will be making a return in the sequel why waste such talent under piles of makeup? Also the head of David appears not to have moved after the ship crashed – or is it just me?? I suppose I am not bright enough to ponder the bigger questions which is why I am glad we have those such as yourself to ponder them for us!
Cheers matey – good points, well made.
@ Joshua, @ Eflud,
Thanks for the kind words.
Regarding my opinion on the film itself you can check out my initial review which I posted hours after my first viewing of Prometheus:
http://benjitaylorwins.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/prometheusunbound
I’d be lying if I said I was anything other than despondent when I first left the cinema, but I was convinced that I needed to give the movie some deep thought. My thoughts now are that- though there is a lot to cherish here- it’s ultimately a wasted opportunity… because this movie could have been a masterpiece.
It has some very interesting ideas and some moments of true greatness but the fundamentals are messy at times.
And every time I think of Milburn petting the space cobra I want to rip out my eyes.
Lots to like, lots of issues!
The last bit about the benevolent alien doesn’t add up. The ship the find at the beginning of “Alien” had a cargo room full of face huger eggs… the were protected with a laser seal, remember? That mean, the eggs were officially on board that craft and not laid by an Queen alien after the ship landed and a Queen alien burst out of that engineer’s chest.
So, that theory needs some retooling.
Thanks for commenting.
Whether or not those eggs were the pre-loaded cargo of the LV-426 derelict has prompted a lot of debate… and has never been settled to my knowledge. The ‘laser-mist’ might be something that stems from the eggs themselves, stems/ derives from the queen that birthed them, or be Engineer created. It’s far from conslusive.
Perhaps that plays into the space jockey / engineer distinction that I believe Ridley himself makes; it could have been a different race or individual of different standing in that space jockey suit, perhaps a slave or some such thing? Hm.
@ Josh,
It definitely could be, and there is also the slim possibility that it might be Shaw… I heard several people suspect this to be case after viewing. It doesn’t sit well with the dimensions of the SJ that we see in ‘Alien’ but then there’s some incongruity between the size of the original SJ and the size of the Engineers…!
Nothing is conclusive about the eggs so the theory requires no retooling dude.
Lindelof- master of enigma!
I agree. It’s pretty obvious that the ship on LV-426 was military in nature. It was pre-loaded with weapon grade eggs (perhaps the engineers were at war at the point this particular ship crashed). At some point during the flight an egg hatched, infected the Engineer, and he set his ship down on LV-426 initiating the distress or “stay the hell out of here” beacon. He succumbed to the Xenomorph sometime later.
If the engineers had created life on Earth 3.8 billion years ago, then our DNA would not still match or if it did then all life on Earth would match the Engineers (which it doesn’t). It is also an unfeasibly long time for the Engineers civilisation to exist unchanged.
It is more likely that the Engineers added their DNA to life that already existed on Earth but not combining with it, thereby starting the genus Homo 2.5 million years ago. But this is still an unfeasibly long time for a civilisation to exist.
Now, as far as I remember from the film, it is Elizabeth and her partner who came up with the hypothesis that the Engineers are our creators based on, as Elizabeth says; “what I chose to believe” or faith, wishful thinking, rather than evidence.
Therefore I think a more realistic reason our DNA matches is that Elizabeth got it the wrong way round. The Engineers are not our Creators but the genetically altered descendants of humans that were abducted from Earth at various times over the last 35,000 years or so. This is why the cave paintings point to the stars, because that is where they were being taken.
They were abducted by aliens we have not yet met. Possibly the Xenomorph depicted in the mural.
In this hypothesis the Xeno in the mural would be a sophisticated and highly intelligent race (the Xeno from Alien and Aliens would be an abomination of this race created by accident or by design). Why they abducted the humans we can only speculate at this stage.
I think the sacrificial Engineer at the beginning was not on Earth, this could even be a flash forward, maybe the Xenomorph home planet?
@ Mrak,
Thanks for commenting. Your theory is interesting.
I think the likelihood is that the Enginners were responsible for the Cambrian explosion around 530 million years ago, and that they then ‘nodded things along’ over time with timely visits to Earth.
My initial theory for the major length of time involved (i.e.- eons and eons!) was that they had to allow things to occur naturally rather than speed things along (see comments to Jankas and Deadbolt above).
Agreed – it’s a long time for a civilisation to exist- but you have to think that by that point their civilisation was at least interstellar, possibly even intergalactic… So they would have been immune to the threat of typical Extinction Level Events which would threaten start-up civilisations.
And I think it is Earth and not another planet. Whilst Ridley has been ambiguous on that (shocker!) the team who created the FX stated they were under the impression that it was Earth.
I believe this movie is the masterpiece we all hoped it would be, but has been castrated to about 2 hours in length to keep the average audience interested and have it shown in cinema’s. In order to do this, they had to cut so much out of it that the holes got so big they looked like plot holes.
The teeth grindingly bad dialogue at times seem to be either a rush job to get this super film done in time (damn studio execs) or to keep the bubblegum for the brain level of people somewhat interested. You can’t go too far over their heads since they have to tell their bubblegum chewing friends too how good the movie was (because of the super understandable dialogue’n stuff) and that they should spend moneys to see it.
It has happened that great films were a financial debacle because their level was just too high for the masses. I’m glad (somewhat) that this is a real moneymaker because of that, since it will make a sequel guaranteed (if I were a money loving studio exec).
Back to the film: I think the Engineers are the most patient scientists I have ever seen. Crazy patient in fact, or Time travelers.
Let’s forget that to introduce DNA into an ecosphere that would eventually evolve into humans takes millions of years. And let’s assume (the mother of all mess-ups) that the Engineers’ DNA was a really really fast track to the modern homo erectus. It’s still tens of thousands of years before you have any decent sized population for xenomorph breeding (assuming, again, that that was the initial goal. A very plausible explanation by the way).
I doubt Engineers, or any life-form other than certain microbes, have eternal life and it’s hard to believe that this kind of project/experiment would span a great number of generations of Engineers. Even if they did live to a really ginormous ripe old age, how devoted and patient must you be then eh? (yes, I’m in Canada right now).
Of course I only have my human pov to speak from, not necessarily representative for that of Engineers.
I think that what hasn’t been touched upon is time travel. Quite possibly to keep the story manageable and stay focused on the part of the story that is the subject of the movie. If a civilization is so advanced it has gravity defying flying saucers a very long time ago, surely they can master that little time traveling issue as well. Either that or their tech and appearance isn’t subject to development and evolution and they have patience the likes I’d wish my girlfriend has at times.
Here’s to sequels, may they answer more questions than they ask… unless there’ll be more sequels…
Ps to explain the idiocy of the various crew members and ‘scientists’; the movie is set several decades into the future. Perhaps by then we’re all so poisoned that we’re verging on the brink of madness and that these people are in fact the cream of the crop the earth has to offer. I choose to believe that and according to the movie, that makes me a scientist too.
No way would Lindelof try time travel again after he used it to SCREW up LOST!!!
I have to agree. Would be daft of Lindo to revisit time travel after the furor it caused in Lost.
Benji Taylor for president of the USA :-)
The behaviour of the ‘scientists’ bugged me too, here’s a possible explanation/excuse.
According to the Weyland Industries website, by the time of Prometheus’ expedition, there are literally tens of millions of humans on planets around the galaxy, thousands of light-years away from Earth. Not remote scientific research stations but huge manufacturing, mining and refining colonies, tourist destinations etc. Faster than light travel has been around for decades at this point in time.
So, the reason the crew were more like the crew of a coastal fishing boat in Alaska circa 2012 rather than the professional crew of an Apollo moon mission is because they were only travelling to a nearby (39 light years) star system and this kind of thing was routine. Add to this the fact (Weyland website again) that simple life had already been discovered on numerous other planets then we can see why the ‘scientists’ were so cavalier.
Regarding the petting of the alien snake. One excuse for his behaviour is that he was a biologist/naturalist. Upon seeing the snake he thought ‘now this is something I can relate to’ perhaps snakes, reptiles were his specialist subject? Also think of real-life naturalist like the late and great Steve Erwin, this is exactly what he would have done.
Remember also that he was wearing a state-of-the-art space suit. Puncture resistant, stab proof (more than likely), impact resistant face mask, self contained atmosphere etc. Only natural to assume that, in his prior experience, that no mere snake could hurt him.
Ok so I’m making excuses and in my opinion this info should be in the film not just on the Weyland Industries website.
@ Ray,
Thanks for commenting. I contemplated time travel in my first WhatCulture article on Prometheus but discounted it- so I am with The Doc & Jumbo on this one…
http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-5-things-we-want-to-see-in-a-sequel.php
I would find it very difficult to swallow Lindelof using applications of time travel after he took so much stick for doing so on ‘Lost’!
Plus think how many additional potential plot paradoxes you get from bringing time travel into the equation, and god knows we have enough already…
After reading this amazing article I would conclude that YOU and not the Zeno-alien are the pinnacle of human evolution!
Amazing read. Best article I saw on Prometheus.
The Engineers should clone you and not those scientists!
Jim
The whole idea of the Engineers revering the Xenomorphs doesn’t work in my view: they are just too nasty, too vicious, too repulsive, to inspire awe or affection. They are grotesque monsters. Now, the Engineer who awakens from cryosleep is brutish and violent, and maybe the entire species is, but would he and his kin really think so highly of the Xenos as to devote their entire existence to re-creating them? Why would they? The only thing the Xenos will ever do is kill them. They can’t become Xenos themselves, and even if they did, they could no longer fly spacecraft. If they introduce Xeno DNA into themselves the consequences are shown to be horrific. So how could they possibly benefit from worshiping / attempting to propagate the Xeno and its genome?
Also I think it’s more or less self-evident that the Queen Xenomorph lays eggs that sometimes contain another Xeno, sometimes they contain an Engineer. So the Engies are just looking out for mom’s interests, and that pretty much explains everything else in the entire Alien franchise.
/facetious_mode off
@ Chris,
Thanks for stopping by.
In my mind they revere the xenomorphs because of their structural perfection and genetic purity.
Also we have no idea if the original xenomorph that I propose was encountered by them in ages past- and forms the basis of the genetic remenants contained it the green crystal- is nasty and vicious… It may well be a super-intelligent creature compared to the xenos we know.
Very good stuff. Liked it a lot.
I think point 3 can be looked at in a completely different way. If Engineers revered the xenomorph as a ‘perfect biologically correct being’, and there weren’t any ‘left’ on the planet they were on, then they would need a slew of hosts(humans) to create more xenomorphs(needing chests to burst out of.) In my opinion, they created humans for the simple fact of xenomorph harvesting. They obviously didn’t want to do it on themselves(or maybe it wouldn’t have worked?). They were waiting in cryostasis for something obviously, and I believe that something was the engineers knew the humans would find them and wake them up(after all they created them, they were leading them there with the signs in the beginning). This may have already been said, but it’s what I’ve held in my mind since I’ve seen the movie and grandiose of debate and confusion a bunch of people have with the movie. I loved the movie and was able to answer 98% of the questions I raised myself by doing one simple thing, THINKING ABOUT AND PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MOVIE.
@ Garrett,
Please see my comments to Jankas & Deadbolt above regarding some ‘why they created us…’ points that were in my initial article but which I removed.
Any more questions please let me know.
Benji, didn’t anybody tell you it’s not cool to like this movie?
Benji, I really appreciate your article. I’ve put an embarrassing amount of thought into the film, and thought that I had just about everything worked out.
I’ve read the interview where Scott is quoted as saying, “We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose.” I didn’t interpret this comment as him discounting the fact that Jesus was indeed an Engineer. I thought he was explaining how it was handled in the movie. The interviewer had stated that he had heard that it was explained in the original script, to which Scott responds with his “on the nose” quote. In the same breath, he continues, stating, “…A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, ‘Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it’. Guess what? They crucified him.”
My assumption was that Scott felt that the discussion about Jesus being an Engineer was being too forthright/straight-forward (“on the nose”) with it and he would rather the audience put the pieces together.
Your thoughts?
@ Greg,
What, it’s not cool?!
Haha well I think I seem to be among the minority who got a lot out of the movie despite recognising its many flaws. Most people are in one of the two camps that I mention in the article- all or nothing.
I am glad you liked the article.
A friend recently pointed me to a post on a forum showing me the arguments raging about the possibility of ‘space Jesus…’ I can understand why you pulled that from that RS interview- but I think it’s just Ridley again being as ambiguous as he possibly can.
I don’t like the theory because I think it opens up even more plot holes and it’s just feels too clichéd and goofy.
Bravo sir. Very good interpretation, but in the end it still doesn’t change the fact that Prometheus gave me nothing what so ever to come to these conclusions on my own. I have had to read theories and speculations all over the internet just to try and make sense of the film. A film that can’t be understood just by watching it is a failure in my eyes.
@Rushfan,
Glad you enjoyed it.
Your frustrations echo those of many…
A great article Benjii. As a science fiction writer I must say that inaccuracies are only relevant to the science and not relevant in regard to story telling, especially given how you have to suspend your disbelief with much of the gadgets in the film, nay, most science fiction movies. I tend not to pay much emphasis on these quibbles since they don’t impinge on the story telling since the film maker obviously wants the audience to take heed of the humanity of the story which is indeed the focus of much science fiction, where Prometheus in particular functions more as a allegorical cautionary tale. The scientific inaccuracies only become an issue if you value hard sci-fi higher than medium and soft, which is where Prometheus is firmly nestled between. If the filmmakers weren’t paying emphasis on the humanity and allegorical arc then clearly they would of spent more time on expository details that are more needless in the soft and medium sci-fi categories. So to invoke any inaccuracies in Prometheus in order to diminish its value or to deem the story ‘flawed’ due to those inaccuracies is unwarranted. So in many cases we’re left with that ‘Future’ magic again but I find that to be the imaginative charm with softer more fantastical science fiction, this was never going to be ‘Hard’ science fiction so I find the sheer level of censorious scrutiny applied to the film somewhat pointless. If you read enough science-fiction literature, especially the more ‘fantastic’ sci-fi, the more you broaden your interpretation past what immediately panders to the surface. It’s just hermeneutics. As for Milburn attempting to pet the hammerpede, remember he was wearing a suit, but not just any suit, according to Weyland Industries it’s quite an advanced suit; a “Significantly upgraded space suit (which) includes a variety of Weyland patented features, such as cadmium exo-skeleton; info display with mission details; vitals: environmental stats and more. Used in exploration, reconnaissance and for tactical manoeuvrability in the field. Nano-reinforced composite helmet allows a 320° rotational field of vision with info display of vital stats, environmental conditions, communications systems and data analysis. Cadmium exoskeleton provides safety and stability over rough terrain. Iridium-coated, laser resistant light armor optional.” Milburn it seems had more than enough peace of mind, especially since the hammerpede displayed no visible mandibles or incisors so, sure, he felt cocky enough. Many experts in the field approach animals with no protection what so ever hence why Milburn was acting so romantic with it and reassured Fifeild ‘It’s alright’. C’mon, the damn thing looked less threatening than a ferret and since the biology of the creature operates in the realm of the ‘surreal’ he had no way of knowing that it had acid for blood. It was just one of the many demonstrations of hubris in the film. It’s clear that it wasn’t the first time he’d ever encountered extraterrestrial life forms before especially when Weyland had established colonies by that point. Space travel as a pedestrian affair has always been a common trope in sci-fi afterall. Again, it’s the ‘Humanity’ that is the point as far as I see it. As far as the flamethrowers not being able to function in an atmosphere of heavy CO2, well, take in regard again that Weyland had already terraformed numerous planets by that point, perhaps they patented a flamethrower that could function in such an environment? It is a misconception that CO2 will always extinguish fires. It contains oxygen, however the carbon oxygen double bond requires too much energy to break. Unless it is a magnesium fire. CO2 will not put out a magnesium fire. Since the movie doesn’t have to distract us away with a lecture on how the flamethrower would function (remember the fire is symbolic of the myth of Prometheus so…) we could just as easily give the benefit of the doubt, which isn’t that ludicrous, especially given that we’re just watching fiction in the first place. Otherwise my best bet is Fluorine; which is the strongest known elemental oxidizer-much stronger than oxygen where co2 only serves as fuel. How can I be so sure? Well, to quote a confidential national defence document detailing chemical ignition sources for flame throwers http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a801460.pdf – “Fluorine or fluorinating agents react violently with saturated hydrocarbons, yet are noninflammable and stable when properly contained. If these materials were used as Ignition agents they could be stored safely in the flamethrower away from the fuel. When mixed at the nozzle of the gun even with unfortified fuel, they would react with sufficient energy to cause Ignition.” All that’s necessary for fire is an oxidizing agent, meaning an element that easily takes electrons from other atoms. F2 can cause substances like steel or glass to instantly burst into flame. And those flames are virtually impossible to put out. And before you point out how they would have put out the flames from Holloway’s and Fifield’s carcasses, according to this article http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/podcast/interactive_periodic_table_transcripts/fluorine.asp – “…when accidents do happen, space travellers can rely on fluorocarbon-based fire extinguishers to put the flames out.” I have no doubt one of the filmmakers would have consulted an expert with all this, why automatically assume that they didn’t? While some may scoff at fan-boy’s filling in otherwise inconsequential technical blanks, it makes a fictional world all the more participatory; they feel more a part of their beloved franchise Universe and that’s escapism for you, which I prefer over being just a unreceptive cinemagoer which we are for most films. All in all I loved this film, it was spectacular, mythological, philosophical, absurd, gross, enigmatic and exciting. Although not quite a masterpiece(though others have conceded it is) perhaps the extended edition will be. It wasn’t a disappointment for me at all, it just left me wanting more and frankly I’d rather have more to come than have such a long build up amount to just everything being all neat and tied up. The fact that the viral campaign is still continuing has me even more excited than I was before. Bring on the next one!
Regarding the flame throwers again, on the Weyland company timeline this pops up: “Weyland introduces unique expedition security apparatus able to decontaminate indoor and outdoor environments. Apparatus mines surrounding air for flammable compounds, making it ultra light-weight as well as self-replenishing”. Remember it wasn’t a LACK of oxygen, but a high concentration of carbon monoxide. And fire needs about 18 to 20 percent oxygen to burn in any atmosphere and on LV-223 specifically there was 21% oxygen according to their scans. Oxygen on Earth today is about 21% also. I think that’s a shorter and sweeter reply after that lengthy comment haha! Cheers.
“Well, to quote a confidential national defence document”… Priceless… And not so confidential anymore I gather.
I SO look out to the three+ hour directors cut and the next installment.
Not too long to wait now Ray! Only an extra 20-ish mins footage in the blu-ray cut apparently. I was hoping for more.
“Well, to quote a confidential national defence document”… Priceless… And not so confidential anymore I gather.” I’m glad someone picked up on that, I had to put it in just to inject a little humor.
@ Kane,
Thanks for the detailed comments! I am glad you liked the article.
I agree that there has been a crazy level of “censorious scrutiny” applied to Prometheus, and I appreciate you explaining the science behind some of the potential ‘issues’ too.
I think the level of scrutiny arose simply because of the gargantuan expectation, and ultimately we were led to expect that we were going to get a masterpiece.
I am hoping that the blu-ray version addresses some issues!
Any ideas why David explains that they have been asleep for “2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes” and not ”2 years, 4 months, 19 days, 12 hours and 15 minutes…” Why 36 hours?
Great blog!!
Can’t wait for the next installment.
I thought I had already commented on this but obviously not.
Great great stuff. You make sense out of a lot of this!
I cannot wait for article 3, I just read article 2 and it´s put even more in place for me!
@ Adam, @ Toots,
Thanks for commenting. I am really glad you liked this instalment, and I hope that you like part 2, which is up now!
Definitely Benjii, the hype really did raise expectations through the roof, but personally I went away both satisfied and itching for more, it was a strange feeling. As for the ’36 hours’ such a glaring error in the dialogue would not have slipped passed the attention of Ridley or especially Fassbender, Lindelof has stated that ‘there are no accidents in Prometheus’ so it has to be deliberate. I suspect it was his twitchy programming. It was very subtle but consider the fact that throughout the film there is something not quite right about David; he quotes a film for no real purpose, just because he ‘likes’ it, watches Shaw’s dreams and becomes quite infatuated by her, performs unethical actions (despite the three laws) so I suspect it was a hint at his twitchy programming. He’s quite the paradox. Part of him becoming a ‘real boy’ Pinocchio style by making very human errors! David is a remarkably subtle and complex character, yet another reason why he stole the film in my opinion. Again, great article and your new one was just as great, keep them coming!
@ Kane,
That was also my original interpretation that, though he could process concepts and calculations in nanoseconds, this conveyed that he might make very subtle errors (technically it’s still correct, but not ‘correct’ from a human P.O.V.)… Then I thought that maybe it was supposed to allude to something else (maybe something from Lawrence of Arabia for example) and then I decided I was just not sure what is was about…
I don’t see how that ‘error’ would make it through scripting though, then past Ridley, Fass & Theron when acting out that scene!
Glad you share my initial thoughts- given the hate that this ‘plot hole’ has attracted I was beginning to doubt it myself!
WoW, Benji, this is truly and enlightening interpretation of the story. I for one believe the plot holes were meant to lead to a highly anticipated sequel. Hopefully the sequel does not fail to answer all these questions, but undoubtedly some will remain. I tried to piece this together myself, to make it work with the other alien stories and heck even tried to bring the Predator into the fray. I thought that the Xenomorphs were created by the Jockeys….although the mural of the xeno may explain this away, how often do we worship what we create….oh yeah, we do do that. Anyhow, perhaps the goo was created as a way to terra-form planets. The xenos were a result of the speedy evolutionary process. Two groups came to arise, the Benevolents and the Warriors, perhaps using genetics to increase there own life span, ie the odd biomechanoid Jockeys found on lv223. The Perhaps the conflict was between the benevolents and the warriors. Altough that is exactly what you said isn’t it? Anyhow, this article is great food for thought. Plot holes and all, I enjoyed the movie and I cannot wait for the sequel.
@ Jason,
Thanks for the additional comments. I saw your posts on my other pieces and now realise you have read all all my articles.
Glad you enjoyed and that this has you thinking! As I said, I think there is a possibility that there are variant Engineer factions. I believe that the Engineers revere the original xenomorph, which may in actuality be very different to the ‘replicated xenomorphs’ that we have seen.
As for the Predator… No no no! It’s definitely not considered ‘canon’ as far as the ‘reboot’ goes.
Loved it — up until #6. Your theory (or thesis, to prank a scene in the movie) that a queen alien bursts outta the Space Jockey on LV-426 breaks down in a few areas.
1. All the eggs on the Juggernaut are meticulously lined-up/stored in its cargo bay and covered by a blue mist that seemingly protects them, yet in Aliens (and AVP), eggs are mish-moshed helter-skelter. This clearly implies that someone/thing other than the xenos or queen placed all those eggs there.
2. If you are correct, and the queen simply died off over the 2k years on LV-426, then how/why were its eggs still alive/viable after so long?
3. Most important one: if the eggs occurred AFTER the SJ died, then who recorded the beacon warning?
@ Red Wolf,
Haha a well paraphrased contextual throwback to David’s line to Holloway there!
Thanks for bringing your thoughts to the table. I am glad you loved the article! Regarding point 6 I am sure you understand the crux is not about there being a queen, the key point is that the Engineer/ SJ we see in Alien was i) part of the group of Engineers on LV-223 2000 years prior to the events of Prometheus, and ii) probably responsible for what happened on LV-223 due to sabotage and as a result of benevolence towards humankind.
I agree it’s possible that the ship he piloted and used to escape may already have had the cargo on there. In the rush and the carnage an egg may have let loose its contents…
However, it’s by no means certain. Reasons being (in answer to your points):
- The ‘laser-mist’ might be something that stems from the eggs themselves, stems/ derives from the queen/ creature that birthed them, or be Engineer created.
- The Engineer could easily have activated the ‘beacon’ after he realised he was past the point of no survival.
- How do we know that the eggs did not have the ability to enter some kind of stasis after they were produced?
- We call it a ‘cargo hold’ but to my mind it’s never been conclusively established whether or not it is a cargo-hold or a cave under the derelict ship. And the ‘hole’ down to the cargo-hold/ cave appears to have been burned through by acid, again indicating the presence of some king of xenomorph-like creature.
Let me know your thoughts.
Good points Benji.
Your theory stacks up.
Truly enjoyed your takes, but I can’t help but think your assertions in No. 6 are way off.
For example and like I’ve said, while it’s possible the SJ flipped the switch to the warning beacon, it’s difficult to believe he’d do so with only ONE xeno on board, that being the one he knew would be bursting out of his chest (there’s no reason to believe he knew it would be a queen). But it’s VERY plausible that he’d send one if he knew there was thousands of eggs aboard.
Further, if he DID know there were thousands of eggs aboard, it seems implausible that he was a “benevolent” Engineer, no?
Also, not sure there’s significant evidence that he turned on his brethren on LV-223, either.
Nor is there significant (or ANY for that matter) evidence that the queen or her alien offspring know how to or have ever aligned thousands of eggs in seemingly perfect rows/columns or protected them with some sort of protective mist — blue or otherwise. Oh, and I already stated that the mist have “preserved” the eggs for the approx 2k years…
I think you have to agree that such a thesis is a stretch.
Lastly, while I’ll admit the area the eggs are in looks ab-so-lute-ly cavernous (i.e., too big to be inside the Juggernaut), Alien footage supports it being part of the ship rather than some “hole” underneath it.
Though Burke in Aliens surmises that the eggs must be created by “something we haven’t seen,” when the marines land on LV-426 57 years after Nostromo & Co. the queen is snuggled nicely in/around the terraformers nuclear reactor (ostensibly due to the comfort of its heat), which certainly implies that it (the queen) was borne of said terraformers AFTER Burke sent them out LOOKING for the eggs/aliens.
So, I’d say that the facts point to the following conclusions:
1. The SJ set the warning beacon due to his imminent demise and the danger those finding the eggs would encounter.
2. Weyland Industries knew of the beacon AND that at least one xeno was located on LV-426.
3. The Nostromo’s mission was to bring a/the xeno back for their bio-weapons division.
4. The eggs existed BEFORE terraformers arrived several years later — but the queen in Aliens did not — until said terraformers were sent to the Juggernaut by Carter Burke.
Looking forward to your reply.
JAA, aka, Red Wolf
The Engineer could have been running away fast so may not have cared what was on board. Just wanted out.
Anyway- there’s nothing to say that the mist comes from the Enginners’ devices- the eggs may have emmited it.
Eggs could have been lined up for any reason. If the ship crashed on LV-426 with eggs ALREADY ON IT then it’s unlikely they’d all be there in a neat set of lines- correct?
Plus we don’t know the egg hold was part of the ship, may have been a natural cave
And presence of acid having burned the metal leading to the eggs shows there was a xeno there BEFORE the eggs were.
I like the theory presented by Benji re the Alien tie-in… A lot.
Hi Red Wolf, I still think it’s a solid theory that fits with all we know (which still is not a great deal!).
As far as I can see the Alien footage does not provide evidence either way as to whether or not that’s a cave or part of the derelict. Still, I think that part of the puzzle is largely irrelevant to my theory.
Also, if there were 1 or 100 xenos on the ship I think the SJ would have activated the warning (which may have been automatically generated anyway).
Happy to hear your further comments.
If the Engineers worshipped the xenomprph (Christ like in the Mural), are they therefore acolytes (priest-like)? Their role is as minions to their ‘Gods’ and exist to do the bidding of the Worshipped. They seed planets then wait until the humans mature thus providing a fertile feeding and breeding ground for the Xenos to spread.
Del
Though the Engineers don’t appear (yet) to be hunters per se, I view the them as “respecting” the xeno; much like you or I might have a mural of a tiger or lion in our “man cave.” And other than the xenos having incredible survival skills, there is no evidence they are “intelligent” and justifiably worshipped by a more-than-intelligent race (the Engineers)
Taken a step farther, if you or I began “playing with” lions’ & tigers’ DNA — and one or more “got out” — we’d be running like hell just like the Engineers were shown to be on the hologram.
But IF xeno(s) were loose 2000 years ago on LV-223, where are their carcasses? I mean, the Engineer corpses are still there????
To your point: Engineers certainly didn’t need to wait ’til Christ’s time to become harvest material for xenos…
The complex is big so they could be anywhere or have got outside.
Agreed – there’s a lot of potentially unexplored space in that complex where the xeno carcasses could be. Perhaps they are also in some kind of hibernation somewhere…
Hey benji,
I read your article this morning and i havent been able to get it out of my head its been almost six hours(THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INSPIRING ME) and im coming up with new ideas and theories about the questions you answered.One thing i would like to point out is that as Damon said that a potential sequel would take the series even further away from the events in alien and also i read somewhere that Ridley has said that if there was a sequel,a third film would be required to bridge the 2nd prometheus and alien so as much as i like your theory(Part 6) i think its waaay more complex than that.
P.S This is what Ridley wanted,to leave us with questions so we fans could come up with our theories and explore prometheus in our own ways.This is why for me prometheus is a masterpiece,its not a movie its an ever-growing experiance.
P.P.S Since youve got me thinking i will be pestering you with my own theories here and on twitter(@tickmasterg9 i called you my hero this morning)
@Ustav,
Thanks for commenting and for the kind words! Glad this inspired you so much!
I think that hopes and expectations are that this will be the first film of a trilogy, with Part 2 involving the Engineer homeworld and the Elder Engineers (tangentalising further away from the events of Alien).
I don’t think there’s any indication that Part 3 would be about specifically bridging the gap between Parts 1 & 2 and Alien- just that they will throw an explanation into Part 3 of how the SJ on LV-426 came to be there.
Maybe not entirely relevant to your article but interesting to note these apparently off-the cuoff remarks by characters (and I signal, to me that the writing/script was extremely carefully considered, and quite clever):
Janek: “Well I’ve be damned.” [He was]
Vickers: “Son of a b#tch…cut me off.” [Not 'the son of a b#tch. He cut me off.' - refers to her father cutting her off from what could/should have been hers, the legacy of his company and life.
David: "I beg your pardon." (at the end of the film Shaw is crying, saying how sorry she is, and followed immediately by David's offer to help).
Charlie: "Here's mud in your eye pal." [Ironic, as the first symptom of his infection with the black goo is via his own bloodshot eyes]
David: “It must feel like your god abandoned you…” [unlike David to empathise, but here he does...and of course soon his own god/creator] abandons him/dies
Weyland: “Have you lost your faith, Shaw?” [He's about to lose his...]
David, responding to Weylands request to speak to the Engineer: “I believe I can.” [An interesting parallel to Shaw's 'because I choose to believe' and a possible embedded meaning, that in speaking to the Engineer David may communicate more than what his own makers intend, and so bring about his own freedom, and he does so because he is starting to believe in his own efforts...and the limits of his creators...].
Millburn: “Is this seat taken…” [Daivd later plays musical chairs with the Engineers seat, first he is displaced in his seat, and then, when he returns, he plays the role of Engineer in the seat, including playing the music.
Also interesting is the use of a male computer voice for the spaceship, and then a female voice for the life support pod. As though the voice of ‘God’/destiny has changed.
Pilot: “This is corporate run, they’re not telling us shit.” – answers why the crew etc were so badly informed, confused, undermined.
Hi Nick, an interesting analysis of certain elements of the dialogue here. I do remember thinking on my first viewing that the Charlie comment of “here’s mud in your eye, pal” was a nod to the infection that he develops as a result of David spiking his drink with ‘mud’…
“Any ideas why David explains that they have been asleep for “2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes” and not ”2 years, 4 months, 19 days, 12 hours and 15 minutes…” Why 36 hours?”
Don’t look any further than logic. 2-4, 18-36 has a more logic twist over it, as maybe an creative android would think, than 2-4, 19-12. We humans use this method often with twisting words into other logical solutions.
I suspect it’s a deliberate piece of improvisation by Fassbender to show i) David’s creativity, or ii) David’s ‘twitchy’ programming.
Lindelof & Spaihts both confirmed this was not scripted:
http://whatculture.com/film/prometheus-damon-lindelof-jon-spaihts-confirm-36-hours-was-not-scripted.php
These theories seems arises the some questions.
Well how the engineers created the face huggers, that stuck to them and killed them when the xenomorphs got out. Anyway, we should have seen remnants of the face huggers, we should have seen some xenomorphs, even dead ones. All we saw was just a pile of dead bodies of engineers.
If we think about how the giant squid like face hugger was created; (by growing in Shaw’s womb after being impregnated by the boyfriend), Were the 1st face huggers created , which infected and killed the engineers on LV223 also created in the same way?
I really like this movie, although its full of questions unanswered.
Lets just hope that the sequel just tie in all the loose ends.
An excellent article! congratulations!
I never tire of examining this film, I know that the majority may not like having errors, but do not have film!
I wanted to add on the black liquid: In the Spider-man, the animated series, Promethium X is a previously unknown element found on an asteroid in conjunction with the Venom Symbiote by astronaut J. Jameson. It is a black rock slightly larger than a fist, that looks similar to coal. Normally inert, when exposed to high temperatures Promethium X will react with an atomic exposion. It’s amazing the similarity between the Promethium X and black liquid of Prometheus, besides the color, name, gives the host or infected bodily changes, increased strength, speed, also it is used as a weapon of mass destruction…
@ Lewis, @ Kinsley,
Thanks for commenting.
Dude, Ridley Scott already cleared the “ifs” about Deckard being a replicant… he did so in his “fake” director’s cut and the latest on released recently… Even if “people are still debating about it” I think that Scott has final word on it, no?
I think there’s sufficient ambiguity to consider it either way.
In the book, Deckard takes the Voight-Kampff test and it fails to indicate that he is an android.
Also Harrison Ford has said that he did not think Deckard was a replicant, and also states he and the director had discussions that ended in the agreement that the character was human.
This was a great article with a lot of thought.
But as one of the commentors already askes, “where are the bodies?”
With all the Engineer bodies, there had to have been a few facehugger or “alien” bodies as well.
And in the comics, which are considered canon with the exception of maybe 3 series, the Engineers are not human at all, or at least don’t appear to be. I believe that Scott will either show in the sequel that the “Engineers” worshipped the elephant like “space jockeys” or that at some point the Engineers perfected the ability to make living metal that would fuse to their skin, thus changing their physical appearance.
The aliens that the Engineers were apparently weaponizing, may have been a defense against other species. At some point I believe the Predators and other species will be shown in “cameos” like the Alien skull in Predator 2.
Thanks KidKaos.
I think the xenomorph bodies could be in another unexplored room (there is nothing to suggest that the crew explored the entirety of the complex), perhaps even in some kind of hibernation somewhere, or out of the complex completely.
I disagree that the comics are considered canon. As far as we know Ridley only considers ‘Alien’ and ‘Aliens’ to be canonical, in addition to ‘Prometheus’.
Interesting theories.
You know another interesting theory that completely accounts for all of the plot holes and unanswered questions? That just as he did on Lost, the writer was just flying by the seat of his pants, with no idea how each scene was tied together, much less having any overall logical consistency. So, sorry, your theories may be interesting, but applying Occam’s Razor, I’m going to have to stick with the simplest, most elegant theory — that it was just crap writing by a lazy writer too enamored with himself to bother with things like logic, consistency, and credibility. I mean, which makes more sense — that the filmmakers intended that explaining even the most basic questions raised by the film should take 6 pages of tortured analysis to render them even marginally coherent, or that the writer is simply a hack churning out scene after scene of incoherent crap? I’ll go with the latter.
Benjii-great article. I have a theory for your “36 hours” question. Earth has a 24 hour day because of it’s rotation. If we were to go to Mars, the day would be 24.62 earth hours. On Jupiter it’s only 10. Depending on where they are, what they perceive as a day could be longer than 36 hours, which would help explain how they managed to travel 10.4 parsecs or 34.6 light years away in a little over 2 years-it would be a lot longer by earth standards.
Epic article is still epic article.