So with hundreds of reviews for The Avengers (Avengers Assemble in the UK) ranging from awesome to possibly the best comic book movie yet, Marvel Studios and its parent corporation, Disney, have a long, prosperous road ahead of them in terms of blockbuster franchises. That is as long as they continue to hire similarly talented and capable story tellers like Joss Whedon to take the helms.
And as The Avengers appears to solidify the characters’ continued cinematic success, the ever present elephant in the room just got a bit bigger and louder – and its name is DC/Warner Bros. Although they have been making comic book movies for decades longer than Marvel, with the exceptions of the first couple Superman movies (1978 and 1980) and Tim Burton’s Batman (1989) and Batman Returns (1992), none of them have been much good and none made an especially positive impression of the genre.
Ever since X-Men premiered in 2000 comic book fans have been reeling from a consistent and exponentially growing surge in the popularity of comic book properties and it’s due entirely to the success of their film adaptations. However, with the exception of Christopher Nolan’s extraordinary renditions of Batman, Marvel characters have dominated this trend and DC have been unable to start their own franchise like The Avengers.
Whether or not dedicated fans and critics alike hailed these various movies as triumphs, they unfortunately are only influences, as opposed to sources, of measuring the movies’ success. No, that illustrious gauge is comprised of one loaded business term – profits. It’d be nice to live in a world in which cultural and artistic fields flourished according to the caliber of the pieces they’re comprised of, but unfortunately, at least when it comes to Hollywood, the industry operates according to that which makes the most money for the studios. So throughout this article the term “success” refers to that of the financial variety, not necessarily critical or artistic.
Therefore, I figure the best way to approach the likelihood of DC’s super team, the Justice League, making it to the silver screen is through the lens of those powerful studio executives whom call all the shots.
So let’s break it down. And again, we’ll do so neglecting for the moment these movies’ artistic and critical strengths and weaknesses, focusing entirely on their financial bottom lines. The monetary amounts will be profits, not just grosses, not including merchandising figures like home video sales, video game sales, toys, etc. On average, these movies have budgets of around $130 million and ideally studios want to see profits (not just grosses) around the same figure. Although the film rights to various Marvel characters have been aligned with 20th Century Fox, Sony, Universal, and Disney, among others, and the film appearances of DC characters are courtesy of Warner Bros., I’ll mostly discuss the various properties in terms of their respective publisher affiliations, i.e., Marvel versus DC. I also will neglect the potential influence of these characters’ various animated incarnations, whether they’re straight to video or a TV series of any kind.
First let’s examine the team that has occupied the majority of the film adaptations of the last decade or so, Marvel. The X-Men trilogy (2000, 2003, 2006) has collectively earned for Fox over $676 million. The Origins: Wolverine (2009) and First Class (2011) movies netted the same studio $223 million and $193 million, respectively. Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man trilogy (2002, 2004, 2007) collectively brought in a colossal $1.9 billion for Sony and Marc Webb’s reboot is poised to also be a decent money maker though of course it being such a recent reboot, only time will tell. Either way, the X-Men and Spider-Man franchises alone have made more than twice as much as all of the DC character based films of the last decade.
But for good measure, the Daredevil movie (2003) starring Ben Affleck made about $100 million, about $20 million more than its budget but its spin-off, Elektra (2005), made just $13 million, about $30 million less than its budget. Ang Lee’s Hulk (2003) brought in $108 million, about $30 million less than its budget for Universal and the Ed Norton driven 2008 sequel/reboot didn’t do much better as it made $113 million, almost $40 million less than its budget. The Punisher (2004) has a similar story as its less than impressive profits ($21 million) nonetheless led to a stand-alone sequel/reboot, Punisher: War Zone (2008), which actually lost $25 million. Nic Cage’s two Ghost Rider (2007, 2012) films have earned just $154 million. The two Fantastic Four (2005, 2007) movies made a combined $390 million, each making back their budgets. The combination of both Iron-Man (2008 and 2010) movies made an impressive $869 million, 2011’s Thor made $300 million, and the same year Captain America made $228 million. Although there have been disappointments from the Elektra, Punisher, and Ghost Rider movies, Marvel has a pretty impressive track record for earning studios good money through 24 films in thirteen years.
Now DC on the other hand, has a muddier, less cohesive record. Whereas the Marvel characters are generally much more recognizable to the mainstream public and have closer ties among one another’s back-stories and continuities, characters that were published by DC or one of its imprints like Vertigo which have seen major film releases have not necessarily been generally recognizable to the mainstream public and have not necessarily been linked in any canonical way. For instance, there’s Constantine (2005) which made $130 million. Another example is V For Vendetta (2005) which made just $78 million. Neither of these characters, V in particular, have close knit connections to DC’s more popular characters like Superman or Batman. Then there’s Watchmen (2009), which made only $55 million, and is a completely stand-alone story. Even the announced prequel comics won’t intersect with the fictional universe most DC characters inhabit. 2010’s Jonah Hex was a big disappointment as it lost $37 million.
As for the bigger DC names, Bryan Singer left the X-Men franchise to make the spiritual sequel to the 70s Superman movies, Superman Returns (2006), which made $182 million. Perhaps most damning was the Green Lantern movie (2011) which made a measly $20 million, barely making back its budget. The losses on Green Lantern especially hurt because after Superman and Batman, whom are so ingrained into the collective unconscious of modern western civilization that the success of their major studio films won’t have as heavy an influence on the likelihood of a Justice League movie as other lesser known characters, Green Lantern is a key character of the JL to get audiences in support of. Then there’s Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy (2005, 2008) which thus far has earned Warners a combined whopping $1.3 billion and this summer’s The Dark Knight Rises is all but guaranteed to rake in tons more. DC’s only had ten films in eight years, less than half of that of Marvel characters.
As mentioned, the relatively immediate future holds the Spider-Man reboot, the First Class sequel, The Wolverine, the Iron-Man, Thor, and Captain America sequels, eventually there should be an Avengers sequel, as well as the half dozen or so other properties Marvel is considering adapting in to major motion pictures like Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, and even Daredevil and Fantastic Four reboots.
DC on the other hand, again, has only Zack Snyder’s Superman: Man of Steel (2013) to look forward to with nothing else solid in the works aside from the eventual Batman reboot that will occur hopefully no fewer than at least five years from now.
But despite DC’s clearly significant lag behind Marvel in terms of releasing profitable major studio films, the potential for a Justice League movie has got to make execs’ mouths at DC water considering the huge success The Avengers is shaping up to be. But how likely are they to genuinely attempt it? Well basically DC has a lot of work to do, but thanks to the money Warners is looking to invest in a new franchise in light of the loss of the Harry Potter movies, Justice League could have a real shot.
Assuming DC/Warners do eventually want to achieve the same kind of success Marvel Studios is enjoying then DC needs to start thinking more strategically. Releasing films based on characters with no significant connections to the core cast of Justice League characters can’t be an option. That being said, the next characters poised for film adaptations should be Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, or Cyborg. Assuming also that DC won’t want to wait for five more movies to be released before tackling a Justice League movie, seeing as how that could easily take a very long time, I would speculate that at most maybe only three more movies based on these characters would be made before Justice League becomes DC’s next cinematic project. Despite there being seemingly serious talk of a JL movie back in 2007 and ’08 with George Miller attached to direct a younger cast, the project eventually was canceled to focus on the release of Green Lantern and the Superman and Batman sequels with no talk of a Justice League project since. Granted Green Lantern was considered a failure, the Superman and Batman films should do very well and if they do I think we’ll see a Wonder Woman movie before Justice League eventually premieres.
Now, full disclosure, I was never much into DC when I read comics as a kid; I was always a bigger sucker for mutants and arachnid humanoids. So please have mercy on me when I say that Cyborg seems super generic, The Flash always seemed like a not so super Superman, I know nothing of Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman, well, you don’t have to be in the know to be aware of Aquaman’s less than respected status among comic readers; although I hear his appearances in the new DCU52 have been much more badass. Still, Vincent Chase played him in HBO’s Entourage. He was even the butt-end of a running gag in the South Park episode, “Super Best Friends”.
So considering the relative obscurity many of the DC characters are shrouded in when it comes to the mainstream public combined with DC’s less than stellar cinematic performances when compared to that of Marvel Studios, the prospect of DC releasing more films to lead up to a Justice League movie seems dubious. It may be a glib simplification, but essentially these movies would just have to be really good. If the movies are of high quality people will go out to see them. But if they continue the hit or miss trend of mediocrity many of the super hero movies of the last decade have displayed, the path toward Justice League is pretty dim.
There is the possibility that the Justice League movie would be made without having multiple other single character centered movies released first; DC may just want to skip all that work and gambling. But if so, would DC want to release it so soon after The Avengers? On the one hand they may want to capitalize on its success, but on the other they may want to distance themselves as much as possible to avoid the obvious comparisons.
The bottom line of course is that nobody knows what Hollywood will do next and projects that look dead as a doornail one moment can be the hottest new property the next. Though Marvel Studios is clearly winning the super hero film market now, this could just be paving the way for DC to take over down the line. I for one am enjoying the burgeoning superhero genre of film as some have proved capable of not only being fun, high quality action flicks with heart, but some may even stand the test of time and go down in history as not just great super hero movies but truly great works of art. If DC wants to cash in on any of this either in the short term or the long term, the answer is the same – hire the best writers and directors possible, ones with uncompromising visions and artistic integrity, and let those auteurs develop the characters with empathy and humanity because those are the most difficult elements to achieve in a good story. Action and special effects can be found anywhere, but people should pay good money to see films in theaters because those films deliver things that can’t be found in a video game or Youtube clip, those human moments of substantial meaning. If these were found in more superhero movies, not only would comic book fans be happier, but our culture would be better off for it as well.
So what do you guys think? Will the Justice League movie happen? If so, will DC/Warner Bros. release single character based films first? Which ones? How will they make it work to rival Marvel Studios? Let us know in the comments!
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What you dont realise is that Marvel has established the Avengers over a series of films. A Justice League film would also need to be established and right now they have no cast. Green lantern was recieved poorly, ‘Christian bale’ is unlikely to return as Batman and a new Superman film is out is 2013 with a new actor ‘Henry Cavill’
By the time Justice league is released it will probably be up against The Avengers 2.
The problem that DC has is ironically the success of Nolan’s Batman. The film are gritty and realistic but not authentic superhero flicks. They feel almost like an apology to film goers in a “I know it’s Batman but I’m making him serious film not a superhero flick” the result is a great film but with a very distilled Batman character at his centre. (if you need a reminder of how good the Batman character can be watch Batman: Mask of the Phantasm)
Translating other DC characters authentically to the big screen will be difficult (how DC must rue cancelling Joss Whedon’s Wonder Woman) Possibly the most perplexing of all is DC ‘s properties are under one roof so you would feel that the he decision making process would be easier, The process of getting superman on the big screen over the last 20 years has illustrated severe mismanagement of key properties. The central problem is however the characters themselves: perfect archetypes of their genre which do not translate well without careful handling to a modern audience. The true challenge for DC will be to find creative and directorial talent that compliments each franchise before it could even think about bringing them together for a JLA movie
Interesting analysis of Nolan’s Batman trilogy; I wouldn’t necessarily agree that his/Bale’s Batman is distilled, but great call on Mask of the Phantasm – such an incredible movie that easily could’ve been done poorly. I loved Batman: TAS when I was a kid and its because of that and other excellent (from what I’ve heard) animated series/straight to video movies that I couldn’t factor them into the article – just too much to consider. I really wanna see Year One as well.
Another great call on DC lamenting backing out of Joss Whedon’s Wonder Woman. I don’t know if Charisma Carpenter would’ve been the right choice but I did mean to include that so thank you for bringing it up! I am glad they backed out of Tim Burton’s Superman – have you ever seen any of the concept art from those storyboards? Horrendous.
Smart of you to note how as opposed to Marvel characters being housed by so many different studios, DC characters are all under Warners’ umbrella. I would think that would make the decision making process easier, but I wonder if the actual movie making process would be slowed down because of the one studio situation.
As mentioned, I was never a huge DC fan growing up so thank you for your comments regarding their standing in relation to the public’s perception.
What is stopping DC from doing a Justice League movie with only Superman & Batman, then introduce the other members near the end of the movie. This would allow them to make money off their 2 biggest names & pave the way for a sequel or possibly even solo projects before a sequel.
I personally think it would be a bad idea to reboot the Batman series, as 1. it’s too soon, and 2. the Nolan films are so iconic now that any Batman reboots will not go down well with the public. If DC are to make a JL film, they really should try their best to put in Nolan’s Batman in it, since the public is now only associating Batman with Bale’s Batman. I know Nolan says Batman can only be in his own universe, but they can easily go around it. I for one hate the idea of a Batman reboot.
I’m definitely not looking forward to the Batman reboot either but it’s going to happen. Warners isn’t just going to say goodbye to that property. The timing will certainly be a critical factor, but people will pay to see more Batman movies eventually. Maybe it’ll be five years, maybe fifteen, but it’ll happen.
Regarding Batman in a JL movie – I definitely think they’d want to reflect some of the qualities Nolan/Bale’s Batman/Bruce has exhibited, but whoever directs will treat the character as his/her own. Cinematically Nolan’s Batman to me exists in its own little universe. Of course the character will be brought to life in movies again at some point, and those movies may even try to work with Nolan’s continuity (many believe the eventual Batman reboot or JL movie would take place during the eight year gap between Dark Knight and DKR), but after DKR th Bale/Nolan Batman will never truly be seen again. Remember also that Nolan has stated very emphatically that his Batman would never be part of a team up or crossover.
I personally have grown up experiencing the DC Universe from the beginning, starting with Adam West’s Batman and the Superfriends to Nolan’s interation of Batman.I have always read more DC Comics than I have Marvel. Yet, what you stated about the WB/DC is true– most movie characters come from relative obscurity. Jonah Hex, Constantine, and Watchmen(who are not actually DC canon) are not well known figures in the DC Universe. That is Warner’s first mistake. How can they expect to have success when they make a Constantine or Hex movie before a Flash or Aquaman movie? The best they have had to offer (besides Batman of course) was the Smallville series–and even that series danced around the popular characters. It’s as if they are afraid they will tarnish the legacy of the characters. The Green Lantern movie was a fail, but at least they put him out there. Until WB grows a pair, and decides to hire quality personnel to helm some of their more popular properties, they will continue to lose to Marvel. Both Ghost Riders and Daredevil were horrible, but one must do some things wrong to know what to do right. Yet in Marvel’s case, the hits cover the misses. That’s what seems to me that WB is afraid of– doing wrong. For this reason, a Justice League movie might be far off. Oh, and one franchise of Marvel you forgot: the Blade series. They made a ton off those too.
Thanks for your discussions, MK, well thought out, well articulated, and much appreciated.
I did leave out the Blade movies. Even though two of the three did come out during the comic book craze of the last decade-ish, they always felt of an older era in movies to me, very 90s. I suppose I left them out because I didn’t feel they were especially relevant but I think now that was a mistake. You’re right, I should’ve at least mentioned the Blade trilogy.
I also didn’t mention Catwoman and for that, DC/WB – you’re welcome.
I really, really do NOT want a Justice League movie. The Avengers looks ridiculous enough with all those epic-on-their-own characters stuffed into one movie making them all irrelevant and not-so-special anymore. The Dark Knight next to Superman in one scene? I’ll shrug and leave the theater if this ever happens.
I would just like to add that Batman: The Animated Series has several reference points in it that would translate well to the big screen. I feel that Justice League Unlimited offers a virtual storyboard on how to make the film work. There a more than a few talented screenwriters that could faithfully adapt a JLA Movie from this rich source material.
Alas the western tag that ‘cartoons are for kids’ has marginalised some of DC’s best work in the genre. at it’s height Batman TAS and Justice League Unlimited are better than anything Nolan has ever done with that group of characters
I want to give a mention to Batman :Sub Zero as one the the best pieces of story telling outside of the titles I have previously mentioned. Year One is OK but not outstanding
@TareX Having seen The Avengers twice now I can say that the ensemble really does work. The major reason is that every character is imperfect. As I said in my first post DC’s main roster Batman aside doesn’t translate well without major compromises. The question will become ‘does the creative change still capture the essence of the character?’ might be too far a stretch to make an authentic JLA movie.
I might have said the same thing about Joss Whedon making an Avengers movie 2 years back however here I am loving it. I really want to be proved wrong again
I think DC/WB are waiting to see how “Man of steel” will go,if it will turn out to be successfull,then we have a good chance to see more DC comic chrechters in the future…(Like wonder woman and GL sequel)
What i wonder though is whether the snyder film will have some connection to a possible JL future film…
i think that uf DC wants to start the JL movie launch fast… they mights as well forget batman yet… concentrate on superman:man of stell and a good green lantern 2….. then make a JL movie like the animated JL:the new frontier….. lat batman’s mantle be taken by dick grayson… it doesn’t support the comic fans but it will make a good movie with real life actors!! :)
TareX, what you stated is exactly what WB is afraid of. People thinking their characters are irrelavent, but they will not be. As other commenters stated–the JL animated series does not marginalize any of the characters. They have been As you stated “stuffing” characters into one animated series for years, and they’ve been vastly popular. They have been “stuffed” into comics for years, and had no problems. Marvel did not 1, not 2, but 4 X-men films. Anything can be done well if you’re willing to put in the effort to make it right.
Very interesting article, I totally agree about core Leaguers being less known to the general public than core Avengers, which is odd considering that Batman and Superman are arguably the two best-known superheroes out there.
What I was thinking is wether DC/Warner should try a Trinity (Bats, Supes, WW) movie first, using that as prequel for JLA. Having their three main heroes get together and then, by the end of the film, decide to create a larger group, could get people’s interest going and cameos could push smaller movies like Aquaman or GL forward.
Obviously, they’d still have to figure out a way to have Batman next to Superman and make both seem realistic. The Nolan movies are amazing, but so realistic that it’s hard to imagine Superman existing in the same world.
DC has better superheroes than Marvel (my opinion). But they doesn’t work on them and they will die in time. They lost a lot of time on Smallville, even it was great TV series and I want it to continue. I think, that, because of Smallville, Superman Returns didn’t have a lot of success. Movie with budget $225 millions cannot be bad. And The Flash, he need just better costume, nothing else, like new Batman costume is better than old one. And Superman will not have panties. Green Lantern movie faced failure, but movie was good, again, big budget, and so. DC and WB invest a lot of money in non-important movies. Like Jonah Hex, like Watchmen, like too much money in Green Lantern… Yes, he is one of the main in JL, but I would gave to GL only $100-150 millions budget, Man of Steel will be done with $175 millions, Batman Begins was done with less than $200 millions. I know, Batman doesn’t reqire so much effects like Green Lantern, but again… Green Lantern is more childish superhero, the hole “Do whatever you imagine” thing with rings is childish, so, they should make GL 2 with lesser budget, and better story, hire some good director (Nolan and Snyder), no, hire Nolan, Snyder, Spilberg, Cameron to do GL2, Flash, and no laugh! If they accept, they would make good movie. Snyder did great job with 300, so, it’s Greek hystory, Wonder Woman is Greek myth character, let him do that, or Louis Leterrier, who done great job with Clash of Titans, if he isn’t contracted to Marvel because of The Incredible Hulk,
Perhaps the new Superman movie, Man of Steel, could start to lay the groundwork for a Justice League movie. But they have to reboot Batman, which won’t happen for a least 5 years. And honestly, those are the only two appealing characters in the DC universe. Look how Green Lantern tanked. And I don’t see a Flash movie anytime soon, or doing well at all. Especially not Aquaman. Wonder Woman could do good, but hey, DC walked away from a Joss Whedon drived film, which if you look at the way Avengers is being received, was probably a huge mistake. Marvel just has more likeable characters that audiences will pay to see, beyond just Spider-Man and X-Men. I just don’t see Warner Brothers puting forth the same effort with Justice Leagure as Marvel as done with the Avengers.
apparently there’s a cptain marvel flick on the charts called shazam….. DC need to move away from the comic books and make the movie because they need to see how to incorporate batman…. a batman reboot wud not be suitable and if bruce wayne dies in the dark knight rises then they need a new continuation storyline different from the comics…. also nolan can turn anything super-cool and realistic… so DC should get him to be involved in all their superhero flicks!
I dont want to see a JLA movie. The characters of the DC are so powerful that they hardly work in a movie. What Batman could do between characters that are so powerful than Hulk?? Can work in a Cartoon (and the DC s cartoon are really good) but dont work in a movie. And no of them are good enough for a solo movie.
I want to see a Superman/Batman movie
I have the solution on how to pull this off, and it would be an ENORMOUS risk, but one that would shove the Justice League well past the Marvel competition (Avengers/X-Men):
Do a Trilogy ala Lord Of The Rings. Make THREE movies, which would be filmed all at the same time, and put out over a six month interval. Use Each movie in this manner.
(1)Movie #1 introduces each character in their stand-alone mode, as we’re used to seeing them, but introduce a menace (Darkseid?) that would threaten the entire DC universe. During this movie, each of the different characters become “aware” of others, and even interact on a very limited basis.
(2)Movie #2 sees the melding of the League, and the imminent friction which will occur as powerful personalities collide and fail to mesh at first. We see the menace to earth as it defeats them individually. The movie ends with all heroes beaten, and the earth conquered.
(3)Movie #3 sees the heroes assembling and putting their differences aside as each realizes the importance of working as a team. Together, we see them defeat the menace as a unit.
I have TONS of character development ideas that I couldn’t possibly all list here, but it would be awesome to see the Batman as he faces his humanity against super powered villains, and his ability do learn how to combat them.
Just sayin”…..
WB/DC would be better of doing a wonder woman movie, ending with a reference to either superman or batman…then do a trilogy on the trilogy. A jl movie would tank.
Although a JL film would be awesome since I love the DC Universe, I just cant see it working, Not after the Green Lantern movie and the fact that there has yet to be a Wonder Woman or Flash film yet, an Alternative would be to make a purely CGI film ( Like DC Universe online trailers ) since it would be a lot less hassle of trying to get the perfect Cast, just use the Voice actors from the Animated series and I believe they could be a huge success, but its just whether the rest of the public would be interested in seeing a film like that
I think part of the problem with DC characters vs. Marvel characters is that when you think of Spider-Man, you know just as well that he is also Peter Parker and you know Parker’s story and how Spider-Man fits into that. Wonder Woman you know is an amazonian princess but there’s nothing about her character that comes off as interesting. Notice how Batman is probably the most popular character because he is just a guy with gadgets. Everyone else on the JLA team (for the most part) are not humans who happen to have powers but aliens and mutants who don’t have a humanistic relationship that an average person could relate to. I have a much harder time relating to them. Even Bruce Wayne is hard to relate to because he isn’t just some guy who lost his parents he’s a billionaire and he’s secretive and doesn’t seem to have any social/mental/physical problems. I sympathize with the Hulk because he is a tragic character, I think it’s interesting how Captain America is a man from a different time and watching at how he deals with that. Superman’s secret identity is Clark Kent, and neither of which are very interesting as people.
Not really:
Justice League
- A country-raised boy scout that happens to be a powerful alien
- A rich boy with psycological issues and incredibly intellect, will and skills.
- An amazonian princess-warrior who has been grounded all of her life
- A hot shot, slick, reckless pilot that is as human as anybody but was selected to be part of an space police force
- A scientist victim of an accident that gave him superpowers
- A guy who always felt stranged and out of place, and now it turns out he is the heir of the crown of a kingdom that everybody thought to be a legend.
Avengers:
- a rick boy with psicological issues and amazing inventive, resources and technology
- An alien with a “magical” hammer thought to be a god by primitive vikings
- A scientists victim of an accident that gave him superpowers.
- A super soldier made in a military experiment
- Two of best trained spies/assessins in the world.
Not much a difference. Really a Justice League film could work, with a long term plan and the right people.
Besides, before the movies, Marvel only had 1 A-list character with mainstream recognition: Spiderman . 1 B-lister: Hulk and a bunch of C, D and E-listers: Iron Man, Thor, X-men, Captain America, Blade,etc. No matter how big they are for comic books geeks. They were unknown for the general public.
DC has a huge advantage: Everybody knows who Batman and Superman are, because they are the 2 more beloved, known and iconic mainstream superheros of all time. Even a child in a lost island in the pacific can tell you exactly the origin stories of batman and superman, their villains, etc.
Talking about mainstream recognition, The 3rd place is Spiderman and is far behind batman and superman. Wonder Woman goes behind Spiderman, but ahead of all of the rest of Marvel’s characters. Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman are as unknown as Iron Man, Thor and Captain America were before the movies.
So the challenge for WB, is first, get to know the treasure they have with the DC universe, because its obvious that they don’t know what they have, and don’t know how to handle it. Then assign the resources and the staff to make a long term plan and system that works to obtain a minimum of recognition for the less known characters in a way that makes them justice and is attractive for the mainstream audience, in a coherent, well written story. Set up a universe where these characters live and may interact and then come up with the JL movie.
Batman and Superman are so big, that they could carry the weight of the movie (marketing-wise), but the others need to be introduced in appealing way to the audience before the JL happens, so it is know Batman & Supes and a bunch of sidekicks.
nope your all wrong they should make Justice league movie vs mortal kombat that would be realistic and before JLA they should really think about doing some version of batman beyond
Darkfan76 is right. DC DOES have very complex characters. Superman is a “boy scout” who has sometimes struggled with having to deal with particularly dangerous criminals and his position as being viewed as the leader of the JLA. Batman broods and at his core has a distrust for anyone with metapowers and abilities. Wonder Woman was a warrior, sent on a peace mission into a world she couldn’t quite relate to. These characters are actually VERY deep, but Warner Bros has failed to show that, with perhaps the exception of Batman.
The reason that I suggested doing a trilogy for the JLA is that if DC/Warner Bros now tries to develop them the way that Marvel did the Avengers, it’ll come off as a Johnny-come-lately. They need to do something unique, but with the same effect that the Avengers had. And yes, I DO think that a stand alone Wonder Woman movie is needed before all of this.
Those that don’t believe in a Justice League movie, in the words of Yoda, “that is why you fail.” And if the folks at WB don’t believe either there will never be a Justice League movie.
Supposedly most of the comments posted here are from comic book fans; however there was no one comment on the New52 Justice League series. Those that have read it, often say it could be use as an outline for a Justice League film. There are many funny quips between the characters, such as Green Lantern asking Batman “What are your powers?” (in context it’s funny). Additionally, the N52 JL sets up a senario of how Batman would meet Superman and who the other characters would be introduced. Moreover, the characters have updated their costumes for the modern age, so you won’t see underwear on the outside.
Film makers of a Justice League movie shouldn’t set out to be better than the Avengers, but focus on making a quality film and loyal to the source material and the rest will take care of itself.
DC and WB should take the opposite approach from Marvel and just make a Justice League movie and then spinoff franchises from there. I mean, Marvel could make a Black Widow spin off movie now, especially after the little scene between Black Widow and Loki. Additionally, I’ve read on message boards that people are not clamouring for a Ruffalo version of the Hulk movie. A Justice League film could spin off a Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, etc films.
BTW, Synder’s “Man of Steel” will not be connected to a Justice League film, at least that was Synder’s comments on the subject about a year ago.
There is another huge difference between the Justice League and the Avengers that gives an edge to DC:
While the Avengers were put together by a government agency (shield), the members of the League were never forced, invited or suggested to work together by any goverment or person. Exceptional circumnstances brought them and have kept them together regardless of their different approaches, methods, powers, origins and distrust of each other.
For example, the dynamics of the relationship between Batman and Superman should be key in any movie leading to the Justice League. A relationship full of constant disliking and disagreement with each other’s methods but full of respect and admiration at the same time, but above all the acknowledgement that the world needs them both.
Other huge advantage for DC that should be exploited in a movie and that is appealing to mainstream viewers is that whatever is threatening the world and forcing the heroes to work together, would necessarily have the feeling of a “Global Threat”. Metropolis, Gotham, Star City, Temyscira, Atlantis and Coast City will be endangered. Not only freaking New York City.
Talking about the Avengers movie, saving a few cameos and the aircraft launching the nuclear missil, why the hell the army did not get involved in fighting an alien invasion in NYC? We never saw the armies of the world hopelessly beaten.
For the Justice League, the armies of the world have to be badly defeated, as well as the heroes individually in order to justify why is
that they get together.
These are only some thoughts on a potential Justice League movie and what could be the key to their success, and is not necessarily copying what Marvel has done, at least not everything. DC should focus on what makes their characters and universe unique and different from Marvel’s. DC should focus on the roles of Superman and Batman to have more mainstream appeal, but at the same time the spotlight must be given to the lessen known heroes.
All that is needed is guts and brains from WB, we know they have the money to make it happen.
WHOM wrote this article (ha ha)???
“All that is needed is guts and brains from WB, we know they have the money to make it happen.”–darkfan76
My sentiments exactly. For those who say the DC Universe characters are not that deep–hogwash! Lest we forget that DC is older than Marvel. As far a comic books are concerned Marvel is the younger brother. DC has had years to delve into storylines for all there main characters, which have had so many twists and turns that they have had to retcon the whole canon.
The problem is whether or not WB is willing to take the time and effort to give the JLA a proper portrayal. Not whether they have enough character story, which they have an ample over-abundance of. But can they assign actors who would be recognized as the character as Robert Downey Jr./Ironman, Hugh Jack/Wolverine, or Christopher Reeve/Superman, because if you ask me Ryan Reynolds did not give me that Hal Jordan appeal.
Will they get directors who are willing to understand what these characters mean and who they are? That is the problem.
A JLA Movie could be done, and others could spin-off as Jedi stated, and still be successful in retaining the aura that DC hasbuilt over the years.
Brains and guts… yes… but when and who?
@darkfan76, FYI, the original Avengers comic series was created in 1963, the S.H.I.E.L.D. comic book series was not created until 1965, two after The Avengers. So, original Avengers were not put together by a government agency. And your comment “Exceptional circumnstances brought them and have kept them together regardless of their different approaches, methods, powers, origins and distrust of each other,” is actually the sentiment that appears on the first page of every Avengers comic book, “And there came a day, a day unlike any other, when Earth’s mightiest heroes and heroines found themselves united against a common threat. On that day, the Avengers were born—to fight the foes no single super hero could withstand!” Therefore I would I strongly disagree that there’s “a huge difference” between The Avengers and Justice League.
Here’s was Joss Whedon had to say about making a Justice League movie, “It’s enormously difficult to take very disparate characters and make them work. DC has a harder time of it than Marvel because their characters are from an old, bygone era where characters were bigger than we were. Marvel really cracked the code in terms of ‘Oh, they’re just like us.’ Marvel really started with ‘Iron Man.’ I think you need to use that as your base.”
Yep, but I’m talking about the movie and what DC can make to make the differences between the Justice League and the Avengers clear to the mainstream audience in an appealing way.
The other part is just an indicative of lack of knowledge of the characters and their universe. For example, Superman values are still revelant today. What was true and right in the 40′s still is true and right today. Today there are still people trying to do the right thing even if it is hard to do.
Regardless that the media wants us to make us think that this is a world without morals and that everybody just do whatever they please. Reality is that that’s not true. There are many people that is raised with moral values, try to apply them, and stay true to these, regardless, that the media and many people wants to make everybody believe that these are outdated. Superman is the ideal character to represent this today, as it was in the 40′s.
All that is needed is creativity in putting together a coherent plot, define the different interactions and differences between the characters and have a balance between action and character development and DC/ WB have a winner, as Marvel did. Is not that hard to do, with the right people and taking as a reference some of the source material that have been succesful in updating Superman and the other characters, and their conflicts in the present world.
The main article above notes that there was serious talk of a Justice League movie in 2007, but was cancelled because of the Dark Knight Rises and Man Steel movies. However, the article above did not mention that over a year ago Jeff Robinov, top Warner Brothers executive stated a Justice League script is in the works. An article in the LA Times around March 29, 2011 states, “Many agree that Robinov’s greatest strength is his willingness to take creative risks on ambitious movies — a rarity in a business that increasingly plays it safe.” Meaning Robinov might be the guy who has the guts to put the Justice League on the silver screen.
Also from the LA Times, cites that Robinov said a new (after the 2007 script was scrubbed) Justice League script is in the works. Also being written for Warner are scripts featuring the Flash and Wonder Woman, who could be spun off into their own movies after Justice League.
I believe a Justice League film is inevitable. I rather the studio take their time and get the movie right instead of rushing out like Green Lantern.
I do love movies and comics but over the years not been very consistent, but i can tell what wld make a great movie, i think a jla movie cld work if some questions where answered, some talked about the awkwardness of bats and sup in the same movie, and that is the problem, i ‘ve always loved batman for his calm brooding coversctions but yet fearful mannerism to opponents , is often one liners, and quick wise solutions to problems, as well as deligation of duties to other members of the group, all of these qualities bale.s batman lack as he was more of a brute in the films, i love the recent batman movies, no doubt, but what i wld hate is for bale to wreck batman’s position in jla, as he’s more of a detective and figure head. But bale’s version did not portray that in the films, he was more of an instrument of fear
Even though I’m not the most the most knowledgeable person in regards to comics, it seems to me where Marvel has succeeded DC is failing. So it would be asinine to follow the Marvel formula to create to create a rival movie. Three JL members have been introduced to the big screen, develope a formidable opponent who requires the attention of The Entire Justice League and show his rise to power. Introduce the rest of the JL, defeat the evil power, unite the team. Prequels and sequels are born. DC I’m available for guidance if need be. ( leave Batman alone it’s good for confrontatiton, Superman is the gentleman )
From all the comments I have read I think I should say something. I think DC/WB is not just equipped to handle a JL movie. The definition of each of the JL characters are not going explored to allow for JL movie…well let me rephrase that. The reason why Batman has worked so well (especially Dark Knight) is the creation of characters. They made evil…well evil in every sense of the word. I feel that JL characters are far more compelling so a good story can always be fleshed out. And finally they have to take less conventional approaches these character e.g. lets make luther the president of the united states and not cause earthquakes but start wars (there is so much material its ridiculous why they can not get it right). By the way Superman returns did not just do it for me. GL why???!!! so much potential for a great movie but they had mess it up with that story.
btw… the “bale batman” is the success of the franchise. Any changes to that character would destroy everything about the movie. Batman on the big screen is supposed to be a brute. Intelligent with gadgets, he the only one with no real super power. Heck he’s supposed to be a beast.
Honestly, gentlemen, Bale’s Batman is just another iteration of Batman, As one who reads all his comics, Batman goes through stages in his life and his emotions change to match.
True the early Batman was an instrument of fear, but as events in Batman’s changed so did he. He has evolved and regressed as any person might. When Bane broke Batman’s back it changed him. Batman was not always the Dark Knight, just like Superman has not always been a “boy scout”. Trust me there are times when Superman wanted to kill only to be stopped by Batman or Flash. These are the complexities that a writer from WB must take into account. The Green Lantern movie shows some superficial hotshot pilot, but Hal Jordan is so much more than that.
If and when WB decides to get off their asses and take the characters seriously, a JLA movie can be made. A Wonder Woman movie? Hopefully they portray her as more than just a woman who can best men in physical contests–she does have a lot of family issues.
Jedi stated “Oh, they’re just like us,” was what makes the Avenger’s appealing, but it’s the exact opposite with the JLA. They are not like us, and that’s what makes them appealing. The JLA was formed because their was a common threat to Earth. They each already handle their own homes i.e. Metropolis, Gotham, Themiscyra, Central City and Coast City. They come together to protect the Earth as whole. The Avengers HQ is a floating ship “on Earth,” whereas the Watchtower sits in space above the Earth. They are not like us they are above us because the are super human. Except for Batman, who is their foil, to help them always put humanity first, and that is and always has been his role in the JLA.
And as for Joss Whedon saying is “It’s enormously difficult to take very disparate characters and make them work…” Really? Because WB seems to have a pretty good go of it with the animated movies, so why don’t you start there and take on a challenge Joss, instead of worrying about failing. Because believe me Joss, “Dollhouse” did produce the gem you were looking for.
And as for a common threat, there is a lot to work with–Lex Luthor, Darkseid, Braniac, Circe, Brother Eye–perhaps even the LOD? Anyone LOD?
Oh yeah, I forgot Joss’ stellar rewrite of WaterWorld. My Bad.
LOD takeover is more then enuff reason to bring the JLA into play..Home run MK Carr
Check out this YouTube clip of a Justice League Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyNXnuHNF8k
LOL. Yeah, maybe you misunderstood. I am am not disrespecting Joss Whedon at all, I think he is creative and talented, and I look forward to more of his endeavors. The Avengers movies is a excellent portrayal.
Yet, I am disrespecting is his attitude toward making a JLA movie, if in fact the previously quoted statement is true. When you start a sentence with “It’s tough to…” the connotation implies: “This is too hard; can I do something else?”; indicating one would rather take the easy road than risk failure. I am a writer(BA Creative Writing and published). You are a writer. Part of being a writer is challenging yourself to do greater things, or else what are you writing for? If I had said to my myself, professor or editor: “It’s tough to…,” then I would be admitting to fear of the challenge. I’m sure your editor doesn’t assign you stories and expect to hear such a statement. I know any editor that I have worked for would just say “Well, then I’ll assign it to someone who will get it done and….” That Joss would make such a statement disappoints me as a writer because he is very talented, and I believe could accomplish a JLA writing, but if you take into consideration his words which followed: “DC has a harder time of it than Marvel because their characters are from an old, bygone era where characters were bigger than we were…” basically he’s admitting that the DC characters are bigger than himself, which I don’t think is true. But I do think he didn’t want to accept the challenge for fear of doing something wrong.
The examples I gave were instances where Joss did not hit a homerun, but that does not diminish the creative output. One thing I learned as I studied writing is that you have to do some things wrong in order to know what’s right. There is no other way. Each time an Professor or Editor handed a piece back to me, telling me what could be better, I wanted to get it right, but I was never afraid to give it to them, knowing something could be better. I only hoped for the next challenge.
In my opinion, Joss took the easy way out, by doing an Avengers movie because he thought “Marvel cracked the code.” How about you crack it yourself Joss? I don’t think a mediocre JLA movie would tarnish his career, but if he was afraid of such, then why create “Dollhouse.”
I don’t know about you or him, but me, as a writer, “cracking the harder code” has always given me more joy in the accomplishment.
A JLA(iconic characters) movie might be harder to accomplish, but if one did it, I’m sure the cigar and cool drink afterward would taste all that much better. Ask Nolan and Goyer.
It goes back to what I was saying before: “Who has the balls and is willing to put in the effort?”
That’s all I wanted to share.
P.S. Firefly Rulz!
Haha, yeah sorry, my nerd juices started flowing into over drive, I’m glad I misunderstood, and thank you for clarifying, it’s appreciated.
I do think learning the hard way can be very effective. One of the biggest challenges in creating art whether it’s writing or anything else is translating what’s in your head to the page (or canvas or whatever) and I love that here at WC readers can interact with the writers and their pieces to help refine and clarify key elements. Thanks again for your contributions!
@MK Carr your closing comments gives some validity to Whedon’s comments that a Justice League movie would be more difficult to write. Whedon might have experienced this when his Wonder Woman script was rejected by WB.
It’s no easy task to get the “right” Wonder Woman story off the ground. I mean, the Wonder Woman TV pilot crashed and burned, as well as the Aquaman pilot. And Green Lantern was not well received by critics and fans alike. I believe these are some the problems that Whedon was referring to in his comments about the DC characters. If it were easy, we would have movies about Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash and Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern would have been a smash hit.
And don’t diminish the difficulty of writing the Avengers movie, as that was no easy task. Whedon had a tremendous amount of pressure to make the Iron Man, Hulk, Thor and Captain America movie and hundreds of millions of dollars pay off in this grand opus.
It would be very difficult to write a Justice League movie right now as there is no real foundation. A share universe between the DC characters have not been established. There is merit to Whedon’s comments as there doesn’t appear to be a direction or any collaborative effort at WB to move this forward.
I enjoyed your analysis for the most part and appreciated your thoughts on the plausibility of a Justice League movie. However, your list of heroes DC/WB might want to develop movies for only made sense until you got to Cyborg. Why on earth do you list Cyborg? Yes, Cyborg is generic but Cyborg is also not a classic member of JL – just because he’s on the current roster doesn’t mean he’s essential.
The original Avengers were Ant-Man, the Wasp, Hulk, Thor, and Iron-Man. Captain America was added soon thereafter but Hawkeye and Black Widow weren’t on the team for awhile. Marvel was smart enough to not worry about shoe-horning in Ant-Man or the Wasp and went with key characters that work together. The current roster in the Comics has none of the characters in the movie.
In other words, Cyborg should not be considered for a JL movie and there would be no reason to include him beyond being in the current line-up. Better alternatives: Hawkman, Green Arrow, Blue Beetle, Plastic Man, Black Canary, Zatanna, Captain Marvel, even Booster Gold or Animal Man. Just not Cyborg, why Cyborg?
I think there are several valid reason to add Cyborg to the Justice League line. One, he’s black. Yeah I said it. Two, he’s a product of more day technology more so than Batman which makes him relevant.
The most successful of the recent comic book reboots have been deconstructions of a sort — i.e., the weight of historical canon has been removed from the characters so they can be reconstructed as something more modern and believable. So Batman is rebuilt with a new backstory, and his car chases in the Batmobile are televised by news choppers, as we would realistically expect them to be; James Bond is reborn as the borderline sociopath a hired killer would credibly have to be, instead of as the fussy gourmand and sex addict of the most recent caricatures.
It’s all about “suspension of disbelief” — what you are seeing must be *real* to you, if it is to elicit the deep emotional connection of a good film. Marvel has pulled this off several times in its prequels to the Avengers movie, but DC has only managed it in its Christopher Nolan Batman franchise. The Superman Returns movie may have been true to its roots and featured vastly improved special effects over its predecessors, but it did not deconstruct the character to its essentials.
First, the origin story — the less sophisticated audiences of the 1930s and 1940s may have imagined beings on other planets might look exactly like us, but modern, more scientifically-aware audiences don’t; the story line should explain this somehow, in order to preserve the suspension of disbelief. And while being born on a farm may have been the quintessential middle-American experience of the 1930s, how typical is it today? Would a character seeking out the “nerve center” of modern news in the 21st Century still look for work at a newspaper, the way his 1930s counterpart did? Is a pair of glasses really a foolproof disguise to the people you work with every day?
The Smallville television series has come closer to this deconstruction of Superman than any other portrayal, but even there the writers have had to bow under the weight of historical baggage the character carries.
Any number of science fiction concepts have managed this willing suspension of disbelief, and it doesn’t always have to come at the expense of rewriting the characters; other methods exist to maintain this sense of reality, such as intelligent story pacing, the use of familiar and/or realistic settings, humanization of the characters, et cetera. But if studio executives want adult audiences to see movies about DC characters, they need to start thinking in these terms, the way some of the folks at Marvel Studios already have.
Batman doesnt have to die because the only character who can be as realistic as Bale’s Batman in Cyborg, and i think they should do a Batman Cyborg catwoman movie with a continuation of the Dark Knight Trillogy, batman having more powerfull gadgets, awesome half metalic body with cool guns for cyborg against a very large number of villans but the movie should be as realistic as the dark Knight. i would definitely watch it!!!
Let it be known: they are doing a show called “Arrow” on the Green Arrow, Fall 2012, on the CW Network. Can we say missing “Smallville.”
I was thinking the other day that if DC wanted to do a Justice League movie to capitalize on the Avengers success than they need to use the same formula that Marvel used and put little snip-pits at the end of every DC movie that leads to something BIG happening in their universe. The 3 major things DC needs to work on is Story (motivation for the Characters) Characters (develop the personality, this is what Robert Downey Jr. has done so well) and make it believable in today’s world (again Marvel hit a home run with this). They already have the final Batman coming out (but with the whole team leaving its time to re-invent Batman for a bigger role and universe) Now Superman has a movie coming out next summer and with Henry Cavil playing the Man of steal. they don’t have to look any further for then the first instalment to see if this could work but they really need to add something to it to develop a story here. Now with Green Lantern already introduced to the general public they can move in a different direct with the character (I believe that different directing and better acting is desperately needed here, along with dose of seriousness from Ryan Reynolds not everything in Green Lantern’s life has to have a joke attached to it). If they decided to do away with Reynolds and maybe go the route of Jon Stewart as GL than they could use a guy like Laz Alonzo who would be a good fit for the character. Even Michael Jai White he definitely can handle the physical and he has the look. But if you wanted BIG go big get Dwayne Johnson his acting ability has really grown (even for the haters).
Batman, Batman, Batman. He has been reinvented a couple of times and this one could be very tricky with so many people falling in love with Chris Nolan and Christian Bale’s version of the Bat. Joe Manganeillo has the look and I think he could pull off a Bruce Wayne/Batman. He has personality and presence. This could be the new Batman…….
Now moving on to who could be one of the other major stars of the movie Wonder Woman I believe that you need a strong character person to play not only a physically strong woman but a strong and confident Amazon princess. There are a few that come to mind that could handle the characters physical demand as well as the emotional load that would come (Kate Beckinsale , Milla Jovovich , and even Jessica Biel ). These 3 ladies would be great choices for the role and would add a lot in terms of character which is what DC needs to bring to the table.
Now for the Flash, with Justin Timberlake starting to come into his own as an actor he seems to have the type of personality that could work for the Flash. He can be funny but serious when he has to be. But he cant be an after thought. But maybe even a role reversal for Ryan Reynolds he definitely has the character side (comedy at a whim) down and could make for a pretty good Flash
And Aquaman. Looking at who could suit the character Kellun Lutz would fit the look and he is from the Twilight Sega or even Rick Malambri from step up 3D but ideally Chris Pine the Star Trek star would be a great fit for the role. This could easily branch off into an Aquaman movie all it’s own with the tales of Atlantis being a major theme. Could also add a completely different element than the Avengers.
There is one last character to be cast and that would be the Martian Manhunter, J’onn J’onzz, Eric Bana could play the quiet demeanour of Manhunter but still give off enough presence when needed to be a key role. Yes we all know he played the Hulk and was the villain in Star Trek. That aside he would fit right in.
others like Hawkman, Hawkwoman, Green Arrow, and even Firestorm, or Cyborg would be good additions to the team but to many would kill the movie and there is already a lot riding on the main 3 (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman).
Yes there are lots of others that could be cast but these are just examples for now.
This movie needs to be amazing but to be amazing it needs great actors to pull the unbelievable into the world of believable in order to make us the fans love them. Start with Story and motivation to drive the characters into an adventure of a life time.
Justice League it’s time…Make us Believe.
Well from what i read from other peoples opinion,i think he made point there.if DC can use all those various actors and act ress for those charaters,it will make Jutice league movie a black booster.because when various fans see thier various stars in the coming justice league movie they won’t essitate to get it.
i like avengers but justice legue i dont like avengers vs justice legue pls vote
So Joe, as you proposed, the film is inevitable. Warner Bros./Dc hired Wil Beall to write the script for a new JLA movie. I just don’t know who does the hiring at that studio.
I don’t understand, They can’t hire someone like Geoff Johns, or someone else who actually knows the characters? Wil Beall is relatively unknown. “Gangsta Squad” hasn’t even hit the theaters yet. While “Castle” is mildly good television, how does that qualify a writer to take on a massive historical reinvention of classic superhero characters. Is he even a comic book fan? I wonder what is that last comic he read?
Nolan at least had Memento(which was very well written, creative and inventive) under his belt before he grabbed “Batman Begins”
What David Goyer, Kevin Smith or David Hayter too busy? I just don’t get it WB.
I saw the Avengers movie. It was pretty good. But I didn’t like the costume that Hawkeye wore, especially no mask. What he wears in the comics is better.
I like the Justice League better. I’m DC all the way and Justice Leauge all the way, and want very much to see a Justice Leauge movie as soon as possible, especially with my two favorites: Wonder Woman and The Martian Manhunter. I’d also love to see them put both Power Girl and Supergirl in the movie besides. And both the Avengers and Justice League each have their archers. But as good as he is, I don’t think that Hawkeye is as good as Green Arrow.
I have a graphic novel comic where both the Avengers and Justice League meet each other. I’d love to see a movie like that.
Lastly, at the end of the Avengers movie, in with the credits, we saw who they would fight next. None other than the super bad guy of Marvel comics, “Thanos.” What better way than to have a Avengers/Justice League movie with Thanos in it facing his DC comics evil counterpart, better known as Darkseid. I would also love to see Thanos face Darkseid.
I hope there are other readers who feel as I do and would love to see a Justice League movie, with more to follow. There you are.
I’m sorry, I love the Justice League and I would love to see Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Flash, Green Arrow and other such DC characters in one movie, but I feel that it would feel too much of a copy of the Avengers and I fear the script would probably follow a similar structure and fail miserably at it for the main reason that the guy they’ve hired hasn’t got much past works really, I mean he has Castle but that’s a Tv series and is very different to writing a 2 hour superhero ensemble film, and the only movie he’s made, Gangster Squad hasn’t even come out yet, and even if WB have seen the script and liked it does not mean the general public and critics will take to it the same way. Whereas Wheadon had form on being able to handle an ensemble cast (Toy Story 3) and is very familiar with the comic book world. I’m not saying that Gangster Squad will be bad but if I’d been the WB execs I would have waited to see the critical reception of the movie before hiring him. Also it’ll be hard setting up at an average, six characters (two of which are well known in the public domain) to a public who probably think the Martian Manhunter is that weird looking politician. Whereas Marvel had 5 movies to prepare them for the Avengers so little exposition was needed, whereas, unless they ultimately decide to do the same thing the film will be so bogged down with exposition that it’ll feel like your walking through treacle without any shoes, but then again that didn’t stop X-Men. All things considered I feel that if the movie could be original and not be too much of an Avengers carbon copy it might work and I hope it does, but given DC’s track record with their movies, the Nolan, Burton Batman franchises and the early Donner Superman movies not included, they haven’t had the best of luck, I feel it will fall like a burning lead balloon. I wish the project the best of luck but I’m not holding my breath. Well that’s my opinion on the matter hope you all have a good day and roll on July 21st I say!
I was waiting for “The Avengers” since “Hulk”. I’m unsure if there was any talk about an Avengers movie then, but I knew something great was to come of it. Marvel really did out-do themselves. Thor, Captain America, and the Iron-Man movies were great. “The Avengers” was amazing. All this respect for Marvel, I naturally feel like sporting the “Team Marvel” tee and start an argument about Marvel vs. DC. But sitting here thinking about the Batman and Superman movies and reading these comments, I’m sooo excited to see what DC comes up with. I hope it is as good as the previous movies they have released. (Of the exception of Green Lantern and Ghost Rider movies.. Which I didn’t even see due to reviews). Fingers crossed. “The Justice League” is much anticipated.
I’m going to be honest, as a kid, before I even knew the difference between DC and Marvel. The only super hero I liked was Spider Man; and for that matter, I always remember watching the X-men animated series. Quite frankly, I couldn’t ever stand Superman, I thought he was just such a generic boring Super hero. Wonder Woman, same thing. Aquaman, Flash, Green Latern, all the personalities just seemed so boring to me. With the exception of Batman, there is nothing DC has put out I could really grasp onto and enjoy. Also as far as making a Justice League movie, how would that even work. DC has continuously pushed our remake after remake, of Batman and Super Man. I dont even know which one to relate to anymore. They’ve warped both every which way, and have hardly even touched their others. Marvel not only has introduced many of there heroes in great films, but they set it up all together nicely, so these heroes coming together just WORKED. I’m so happy about what Marvel has done, and really dont have any hopes for a decent JLA anytime soon.