With a sequel to The Avengers officially confirmed by Marvel/Disney, comic book fans the world over will be contemplating which of the publisher’s other heroes could be added to the line-up, potentially getting their own solo movie as soon as 2014 – filling the popularly acknowledged gap in the schedule alongside Captain America 2 that summer.
Of course, we have to bear in mind that Marvel Studios do not own the film rights to characters as key to their comic book universe as Daredevil, Spider-Man, Wolverine or the Fantastic Four – all of whom have allied with or become members of the Avengers at one time or another – but with that consideration in place, here is another suggestion for Marvel’s Next Avengers Film:
Ant-Man (Dr. Henry “Hank” Pym) and Wasp (Janet Van Dyne)
Why?: On/off married couple Hank Pym (Ant-Man) and Janet Van Dyne (Wasp), were founding members of the original Avengers team in 1963 – teaming with Hulk, Thor and Iron Man to defeat Loki. It would make sense to integrate these original Avengers into the franchise at some point, especially because their dynamic (bickering husband and wife), power set (the ability to become very small… and communicate with ants), and the likely tone of their solo movie (probably more comedy than action) are distinct from those that we’ve seen before and could be worked into the present ensemble in an interesting way. Whilst vain and superficial Janet’s day-job as a fashion designer does not scream “adventure!” (or particularly imaginative writing of a female character), scientist Hank is considered one of the smartest minds on Earth within Marvel continuity, holding his own alongside Bruce Banner, Tony Stark and Reed Richards. From time to time he’s also been a massive jerk and a sleazeball.
Brainy Mr. Pym invented the formula that enables the duo (and occasionally their allies) to scale down to insect size and later invented a way of doing the reverse – becoming a giant. But his main superpower is seemingly the ability to faff around changing names every five minutes, which might help explain why Ant-Man has never been as iconic or popular as his Avengers teammates. Whilst Captain America has changed his name and costume a few times over the years (who can forget Nomad?), Ant-Man’s history is particularly complex.
For a start there have been at least three long-lasting claimants to the Ant-Man title: Pym, Scott Lang and Eric O’Grady – the latter two both petty criminals who came by the formula by nefarious means before reluctantly becoming heroes and sometime Avengers. Meanwhile Pym himself has assumed several more alter-egos over the years, changing back and forth between them all more than once. These include Giant-Man (above), Goliath, Yellowjacket (below) and even, briefly, Wasp. There have even been several other heroes who have assumed those other handles. Writers also can’t seem to settle on what this guy does exactly when he isn’t talking to ants: is he a world-class scientist inventing inter-dimensional super prisons (Civil War), is he a pioneering expert in artificial intelligence (Ultron), or is he a full-time hero trainer (Avengers Academy)? As they say in sports punditry, what Hank Pym needs is “a bit of consistency”.
So the job of an accessible mainstream movie would be to streamline and simplify the character’s history, sticking predominantly with one heroic persona and one Ant-Man character. In fact a successful Ant-Man movie might help solidify Hank’s identity in the comic book universe as well as making him a household name.
If I haven’t dedicated as much time to discussing Wasp it’s only because she’s been a more consistent character over the years, sticking to the one superhero identity so far as I recall. Um… she had an affair with Hawkeye once. And I guess she was a little bit responsible for making the Scarlet Witch insane. And she’s currently deceased, though that really doesn’t mean anything in comic books – if they make this movie and Wasp is in it, then expect her to back in the comics too. Unlike Hank, Janet also has wings and can shoot energy blasts from her hands.
Story?: Whilst I really think you’ve got to pick one Ant-Man and stick with him, or risk losing the audience, an interesting approach (and one oft-rumoured to be the basis for Edgar Wright’s long-gestating future movie) is using the Scott Lang version of the character with flashbacks to the life of Hank Pym. This might involve our hero stumbling on Pym’s old and long forgotten formula, rather than creating it himself. But doesn’t this take on the story require the film to feature two origin stories where only one is strictly necessary? It might be a nice nod in the direction of the character’s comic book continuity (with Pym potentially still alive in Lang’s present as Giant-Man, or something) but I think it’s a risk.
On the plus side, if you have Lang discovering Hank’s formula you don’t have to spend too much time and effort explaining why he made it in the first place. Because that’s a bizarre thing to have to explain. A few flashbacks showing Hank Pym inventing it and using it in ingenious ways might suffice and instead you’d focus on the much more reasonable story of why a small-time thief might want to possess this strange power – for breaking into buildings and the like.
However, if it were me making this movie I’d want to tell the story of Hank Pym inventing the advanced intelligence Ultron (below) – a terrifying robot who goes on to be a major threat to humankind in loads of comics and has the potential to do so in a future Avengers movie. In the comics Ultron is one of the most feared villains, with recent Avengers arcs implying that his eventual big, world-ending win over humanity is inevitable. What’s more Ultron is the inventor of long-standing Avengers member Vision, creating that synthetic man as a weapon against the Avengers. An Ant-Man movie that sets up Ultron and Vision would be an entertaining watch in its own right, but also a tantalising set-up for several other movies – and another future Avenger.

Likelihood?: As mentioned briefly above, Edgar Wright has long been attached to direct an Ant-Man film, though the fact that his next project was recently confirmed as not Ant-Man has shed a certain amount of doubt on that project – at least in the short-term future. As it stands the project has been in development hell for eight years. Though it seems that, one way or another and with or without Wright, an Ant-Man movie is happening. It’s even still a possibility for 2014 and the next Avengers movie.
However, a huge stumbling block in bringing the Pyms to the big screen has been their relative pop culture obscurity. Iron Man might not have been a household name prior to his 2008 movie, but he was a more popular and famous character than Ant-Man, whilst Thor (the myth if not the Marvel character), Captain America and the Incredible Hulk need no introduction. Ant-Man has not even been a particularly popular character in the comics over the years, with little success maintaining an ongoing series in recent times. There are also fears about the fact that this hero’s power effectively takes us into Honey, I Shrunk the Kids territory – it’s difficult to see how a man who turns himself (and his wife) small in order to communicate with ants is going to play as anything other than comic. And whilst the Marvel Studios output to date has combined action and comedy elements, notably in the very funny Avengers movie, it’s a potential gamble making a film within Marvel’s cinematic continuity which seems to tip the balance in favour of comedy.
Casting?: I was about to nominate Sam Rockwell for the part of Hank Pym, but then I remembered he’s already in the Marvel films as Tony Stark’s evil business rival Justin Hammer. With Rockwell out of the picture how about Armie Hammer? Seen in such diverse films as The Social Network, Mirror Mirror, J. Edgar and set to find even greater fame in The Lone Ranger alongside Johnny Depp, Hammer has acting chops and an undeniably powerful presence despite his youth. Hank Pym is a blonde, square-jawed sort of guy, so Hammer fits the bill there nicely. I’d also be interested to see the part given to Ben Foster – a sort of scruffier, edgier young blonde actor. It’d be a very different interpretation either way, but both would be interesting.
As for Wasp, Selma Blair would make a great Janet Van Dyne – you could feasibly cast her as a fashion-obsessed socialite without making her seem like an airhead stereotype. Blair has the short, black hair and pixie-like quality to inhabit the character as seen in the comic books, without seeming at all fay. If they decide to involve Ultron and Vision then both, being synthetic, could be done using CGI with motion capture (as worked so well for Hulk). That way they would be able to look almost identical to the comic book versions of the characters and both could be voiced by an actor of any shape or age based solely on whether or not they’d make for a cool robot voice. Alec Baldwin as a sneering, self-important Ultron and cool, cold David Duchovny as Vision.
Incidentally, all the above choices would fit with the current Marvel Studios policy of recruiting very good actors who wouldn’t (at present) cost superstar wages and would perhaps be willing to sign multi-picture deals.
Director?: Edgar Wright is the probable director of this movie, with his name long-linked to the job – a fact confirmed on several occasions by the likes of Stan Lee and producer Kevin Feige. The assumption is that any Edgar Wright Ant-Man film would be comic, though that’s not necessarily set in stone, with (you’d think) Wright not yet having the clout to do whatever the hell he wants with a property like this. More likely his appointment would be like Kenneth Branagh – a slightly left-field choice who puts some of their stamp on the movie whilst ensuring it fits in with the other movies.
If Wright drops out then Marvel could do worse than to approach directors from their previous films who, due to time constraints, opted against making the straight sequels. Again, Branagh did a great job on Thor and was only put off directing next summer’s entry by the feeling that the whole thing had to be done in such a tight window, with a release date already set. One of the achievements of Thor was that something which could have been ridiculous was so well grounded, getting the balance between self-aware humour and po-facedness exactly right. That’s a combination you’d have to say Ant-Man is going to need.
Let us know your thoughts about an Ant-Man movie in the comments below and check back soon as we reveal more candidates for Marvel’s Next Avengers!
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They shouldn’t go consistency at all. Instead follow hank’s deraged path from Ant-man, Giant Man, Goliath, Yellow jacket etc over a series of movies. This is a charactoer who we can witness his breakdown. But whatever they do, I pray he doesn’t talk to the Ants. That would really be dumb.
I hope they get Ant-Man out of the way so they can get Giant-Man in an Avengers movie. Wasp who cares.
Benedict Cumberbatch for the role of Ant Man.Perfect for the role.
Also Steven Moffat (writer of Cumberbatch’s Sherlock series) worked with Joe Cornish and Wright on the Tin Tin Script. Plenty of opportunity to discuss Cumberbatch and even recommend him for the role.
It was publicised that Marvel were interested in Cumberbatch as far back as Aug 2011 and thats just when the rumour surfaced. They might have been considering him even earlier.
Cumberbatch has said in the recent Jaguar interview that there’s a project which might be very big that he cant talk about. Ant man is the sort of project that might be big but hard to quantify yet so his quote would make sense if he was talking about it.
Directors and fellow actors have said he’s been inundated with offers (Hiddleston said he was even busier than Fassbender or had more projects on the go) yet where are Benedict’s confirmed projects other than Sherlock next year. If he has to keep his diary fluid to accommodate Marvel timetable then it would make sense.
He dropped by the Marvel offices.
He mentioned in an interview late last year that he was now listening to Joe Cornish’s old radio shows which seemed a bit odd at the time.
This all might mean nothing at all but I think its looking more likely that he will be Ant Man and I have my fingers crossed.
Great stuff man. Didn’t know any of that, but you make a compelling case.
I disagree with making pym consistent. What pym haters don’t think about is that he is one of the most emotional complex characters marvel has. Confidently brilliant while insecure in his identity as a super hero. An ant man movie will have to be more character driven than anything.
To the no talking to ants thing: He is not ant man without that it also shows how diverse and brilliant and that his most powerful weapon is his mind. He can reinvent his identity and powers and does so often. It is true that he is not always likeable but he does not always like himself either.
I think that his insect control powers could be visually horrifying if done right on screen. A swarm of anything is very difficult to fight. I could see him taking out a villain with stuning visual impact as the ants swarm over the baddy stinging and biting while the baddie struggles to get away from them and the ants toxins produce a mass of welts rapidly developing on his exposed skin!
I don’t think he should be come giant man without first joining the avengers and feeling he needs to measure up to the power of the big shots on the tea. I actually think the giant man visual is more challenging than the ant thing. I think they can do it but but if it is done without makins his brilliance and messed up confused psyche paramount than there that will not work. He is competitive and brilliant and insecure. A very challenging character that will take a brilliant actor and brilliant director to pull it off. It will have to have just the right balance of drama and comedy.
I have had my fingers crossed for this movie for a long time and I will continue to keep them crossed till it comes out. I am hoping that the pressure that is on Wright will inspire him to work harder and achieve greater.
Great comment, thanks. I hadn’t thought about it like that but I now want to see the character the way you’ve described. When I said about him needing a bit more consistency, I really only meant that it was standing between him and being iconic – like Spider-Man or Captain America. I think your take on him suggests a really cool trilogy arc though, of change, self-doubt and what-not.
Do you think he should invent Ultron in the first movie, or save that for later in his arc?
it should be a movie about the the character. Goliath should be the main enemy. Lang could be a 2nd antman in the movie. the ego id thing with Ultron, makes for a good movie. the transformation creates stress. ultron is stress free. what is pym’s weakeness? his ego? or his smallness? that’s the complex story right there.
Ultron should only come later. it they roll over it, then the characters will have no substance.
They should put bill foster in the movie.
Alan Tudyk for Hank Pym. Morena Baccarin for Janet Van Dyne.
I agree that Hank is an incredibly complex character, and that is what contributes to his super-identity crisis. Plus there is tha whole abusive relationship thing between him and Janet that could be explored, and there isn’t anything funny about that.
As for how his progression plays, I think that Pym is like the Buckaroo Banzai of the Marvel Universe. He has accomplished pretty much everything he’s set his mind to, though the results haven’t really always gone his way. He is a genius with ADD. Always changing focus, jumping from one idea to the next. I think the film should open with his already having invented the shrinking tech but abandoned it for his next project: the Ultron technology.
As for his progression into Giant Man, wait for the Avengers 2 as another commenter said, but have him also sort of brush on the idea in Ant Man. This would allow for a good set up.
Ant-Man/Giant-Man and Wasp have always been one of my favorite Marvel Characters.I have both Marvel Masterwork volumes of their series from”Tales to Astonish”. I never much liked the presence of other people (other than Pym) using the Ant-Man identity,as it waters down the importance of the original character. I think that, because Marvel has always viewed him as a minor character, and because he didn’t really “take off” like the others, they have used him as a “throw away” character,a “scape-goat” and an experiment to do many bad things to him, in their efforts to make him “complex” and “relevant”. His hurting and abusing Jan, his mental instability, his constantly changing his personna,other people like Scott Lang stealing his thunder,Their omission from the lineup of the Avengers movie, and Jan’s subsequent death, shows just how little they actually CARE about these two characters. Reed and Sue were Marvel’s untouchable “golden couple” that could do no wrong. Hank and Jan were disposable and unimportant. I don’t think that ANY of this should be portrayed on screen.Hank and Jan should have been in that first movie…not Hawkeye and Black Widow, who were not a part of the original Avengers anyway. I think that Hollywood blew a GREAT opportunity to GIVE Hank and Jan a higher profile…not to mention making them a successful part of the Marvel franchise, by simply PUTTING THEM in The Avengers movie BEFORE releasing their own. That exposure would have ENSURED that their movie would be a hit…while, at the same time,changing their status as “lesser” Marvel characters to major ones , and staying on safer historical ground.(they could have simply went back in time in their upcoming movie to tell their origin in flashbacks). but, now that opportunity is gone. Hank and Jan are the Nick and Nora Charles of super-herodom, and they deserved much better than this…Scott Lang and Eric O’Grady, to me, are unimportant minor characters that should be left out of the Ant-Man legacy…and the Marvel Movie Universe altogether.
RichRank, I completely agree. BUT. I don’t think Alanb Tudyk would command enough respect as a brilliant mind. I have personally been lobbying for Nathan Fillion to be Hank Pym for years now. Just as Terry Crews for Luke Cage, Fillion exudes a certain persona that I think translates directly into Hank Pym. Plus, IF Edgar Wright (Wow, I hope so) helms this, Fillion could give that sly cockiness/dry-wit that Wright seems to favor so much.
Ryan Gosling as Ant-Man
Rooney Mara as Wasp
If this were to happen, imo, it would be absolutely amazing, and with Edgar directing could be one of the best comic book movies ever.
And Armie Hammer is also a great choice. Cooper was another thought I had.
But I still Think Gosling and Mara would own it.
Nope, no Gosling, no Hammer, The man for the job is Nathan Fillion! Is perfect ! and for Wasp…. maybe Morena Baccarin
Don’t no why people want Fillion. I think it would be such a mediocre move imho. I could be wrong, but I honestly think Gosling along with Mara would be fantastic. Hammer is also another possible choice I would rather have. Even Cooper. I just don’t think Fillion will have the great screen presence in order for the audience to take this seriously, and for the movie to achieve true greatness. I could be wrong and he could be amazing, but thats just my opinion on the matter.
Bob is right. Gosling might be great. He’s physically ideal for the part, and he’s an incredibly gifted actor. I don’t understand why people keep bringing up Nathan Fillion, who is completedly wrong for the part. He looks nothing like Henry Pym, and he’s a mediocre actor, and personally, I find him annyoying. I think his name comes up so often, because he’s previously worked with Joss Whedon. Similarly, Simon Pegg’s name is trotted out regularly, because he’s worked with Edgar Wright. That’s like thinking if Spielberg directed, Harrison Ford should star. Plese, not Fillion!
BarryAllenSays:
To each his own. Personally, I would put Nathan Fillion in anything cause he is just awesome, were he not Canadian, I would have cast him as Captain America. I just think his Firefly/Serenity costar has what it takes. Tudyk’s serious roles are few when compared to his comedic roles, but they really validate him.
Another guy I really like is Mark Feuerstein of USA’s Royal Pains. He has great charisma, a nice dry wit much like your man Fillion, and can definitely pull off a brainiac.
I agree. Ryan Gosling is quite clearly the best choice for Henry Pym. Hank is supposed to be extremely good-looking. Janet makes constant reference to that subject. The fact that they are both physically attractive alpha types is part of the complex dynamic of the couple. He’s blond, blue-eyed, and hunky. He’s also a super-genius, with some issues concerning feelings of inferiority. Ryan Gosling looks like Pym, and he’s one of the most talented young actors around. He can handle emotionally complex characters, action, and comedy. He’ll also deliver the all-important female audience Marvel has been courting over the last few years. I’m sure he’ll want significant amounts of money, but he’s worth it. Emily Blunt or Carrie Mulligan as Wasp. And I’d prefer the movie to be about these two characters. I was never a fan of Scott Lang or Grady. Henry Pym is Ant-Man/Giant-Man. Period.
Edgar Wright said at Comic-Con that the plot is based off of the comic “To Steal An Ant-Man.” So maybe Hank Pym created the Pym particles thus building/becoming Ant-man in the 90s or 2000s, gave up his superhero identity, years later Scott Lang breaks in wherever it is, and takes it. Hank gets it back, then, once he has retaken it, the reminiscence of his time as Ant-Man convinces him to become Ant-Man once again. Maybe along the way, learns how to become Giant-Man? Never the less, I think that Ultron should be mentioned, maybe in the post-credits, have Hank be working on a prototype, then Janet a.k.a. Wasp asks him about it, after he explains, it ends with a zoom in of Ultron’s head, and Hank saying, “I think I’ll call it, Ultron.” Then have Ultron be the Avengers 2 villain, which would be a good character plot, the mental and emotional toll it would take when he realizes that his creation is trying to destroy pretty much everything. Also encompassing part of the unstable craziness that Hank becomes in the comics, except him hitting Janet, that would most likely be left out of the film.
The Ant-Man movie should be exactly like this set-up you explained:
“However, if it were me making this movie I’d want to tell the story of Hank Pym inventing the advanced intelligence Ultron (below) – a terrifying robot who goes on to be a major threat to humankind in loads of comics and has the potential to do so in a future Avengers movie. In the comics Ultron is one of the most feared villains, with recent Avengers arcs implying that his eventual big, world-ending win over humanity is inevitable. What’s more Ultron is the inventor of long-standing Avengers member Vision, creating that synthetic man as a weapon against the Avengers. An Ant-Man movie that sets up Ultron and Vision would be an entertaining watch in its own right, but also a tantalising set-up for several other movies – and another future Avenger.”
It’s a great way to start the Ant-Man off while organically working in Ultron, Vision, and Wasp. As well it is a great time to show the history and motives for Hank Pyms ideas and introduction to the Avenger team.
Everyone is missing the point and so is the author of this story. The current Avengers story line is based on the “Ultimates”. Not the Avengers from the 1960′s. In the ultimates, Hank Pym starts off as Giant Man, an arrogant, intelligent Giant man that has a problem following people he deems beneath his intelligent and natural leadership abilities (in his mind). I understand the movie ant-man but if this is to stay in the “ultimates” continuum, at the end of this movie, Pym will have to become giant man. But then again, this is hollywood so why stick to the script/plan of the ultimates!!!
Offer the role to an actor such as Timothy Olyphant, he has played mature, action oriented characters very well, “I am Number 4″.
The movies going ahead and personally I think Michael Fassbender would make a great Hank Pym